This is becoming off topic. Perhaps the VI-genaccess list would be a better bet for discussing your emotional state of mind. I'll say this once to make you realise how the world works and you aren't going to like it. No one gives a stuff and I'm not being rude Andrew! From my own experiences in life that is how it is. What you do about it is totally up to you.
-------------------------------------------------- From: <angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:09 PM To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal
Of course, no one can truly understand or know how you feel. But a true friend can support whatever decision you make. Just feel free to say whatever you want because you have a right. ----- Original Message ----- From: "andrew shipp" <andrew.shipp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:05 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegalsome people find it worth to continue with life. and some of us don't and I'm one of those. Life is shit.-----Original Message----- From: angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 10:23 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegalDon't you ever talk like that ever. I am scolding you right now. Of courseit is worth going on. You can figure a way around this little thing with which you are faced. We got along as blind people long before there werethe fancy ATM machines and point of sail machines, and you can now as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "andrew shipp" <andrew.shipp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:14 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegalit most likely is a good way to do it, but then some of the support workers say they still know my pin number, I have asked for these ones that say this not to work with me anymore. I honestly cannot feel any thing on the ATM machines what so ever. I can tell that something is there but don't know what unles I'm told. with my fingers like this and no feeling in my feet what so ever, I ask is it worth going on.-----Original Message----- From: ANDY COLLINSSent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:09 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegalAndy - Can you not feel the buttons on the touch pad at all. I ask because in your first message on this topic, you talked about not being able to feel the dot on the number 5 button. Isn't it possible for you support worker to put your finger onn the number 5, so you know where you are from there? Thusavoiding telling others your pin - Andy To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:00 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegalHi Clive, But the support workers don't use my card without me there, I carry the cards with me, the only time they touch it is when I am either with drawing money or paying for things, once the transaction is done they give me the card right back.-----Original Message----- From: Clive JacobsSent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:22 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegalHi Andy, as a lot of others have said it is not illegal to ask somebody else to use your card provided it is with your permission each time it is used. It will almost certainly be a breach of the bank's terms and conditions and in the event of your card being used without your consent there would be noredress from the bank to reimburse you for any loss.It is sad that the rules no longer permit carers to withdraw money for you but it is designed or is intended to offer some protection from potentialfraud being perpetrated on vulnerable adults. The CRB checks do not guarantee a clean bill of health. The cynic in me says that there are asmall number of dodgy characters out there and that a CRB check and a clean record are merely an indication that to date the person has not been foundout yet. As others have suggested it is always a good idea to pop into the local branch of your bank or building society and speak to a senior employeewithin the branch to explain your particular circumstances. Like you I too suffer from some lack of sensation in the fingers and our local branch of our bank have tried to be flexible and to work around the problem and i now use a chip and sign card. It is still not always ideal and still causes me the odd problem once in a while, but when the banks and carers seem to be less than helpful where common sense should prevail, often the nanny statesteps in and logic and reason vanish over the horizon. Hope this helps, Clive. -- I ain't dead yet!----- Original Message ----- From: "andrew shipp" <andrew.shipp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:29 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegalyes I understand all that. but if all the support workers are CRB checked then this is saying that they are safe. I've got about twelve support workers here and not one of them uses my card without me being there. every one of them is 100% trust worthy a very rare thing these days to find-----Original Message----- From: Ibrahim GucukogluSent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:18 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal Hi Andrew. Well, strictly speaking it is against the terms and conditions of thecontract with your bank, which usually states that only you should know your pin number, however if you do choose to give your pin number to your support worker, it'll be a question of trust. If your support worker should dame to betray that trust by using your cards in a fraudulent manor, the bank is under no obligation to refund you for any transactions made while the pinnumber has been used, because the card has to be present for such transactions. In this respect and this respect only, chip and pin ispotentially more risky to use than the signature strip method, where you have to hand your card to a cashier to be swiped because a cashier doesn'tneed to see the card when paying using a terminal. All the best and if you do have specific problems with your hands, youshould ask your bank about alternatives to withdrawing money if you don'twant to take unnecessary risks. All the best, Ibrahim.-----Original Message----- From: andrew shippSent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:37 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Is it illegal Hi All, does anyone know if it is 100% illegal for your supportworker to put your pin number in the ATM or in one of the pin machinesin a shop? I am diabetic and have berry bad neuropathy which isaffecting my fingers now meaning that I cannot feel things properly, such as the little pip on the number five. I am so determined to fight the place where I live over this. I look forward to any helpregarding this problem. Many thanks in advance. 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