[access-uk] Re: Is 3d Dymo OK as alternative to braille 1 and 0 for testing?
- From: "Dave Taylor" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 20:50:36 +0100
TTS doesn't cost much to build in and can read things, but we don't know
what kind of thing this refers to!
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Mike Moore
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 5:46 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is 3d Dymo OK as alternative to braille 1 and 0 for
testing?
Hello,
The only factor is that to be sure that something like this
is accessible, an alternative is required, such as audio, as
neuropathy can prevent the successful reading of Braille,
usually common amongst diabetic individuals; who may have
lost their sight due to glycoma etc.
Regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 5:32 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is 3d Dymo OK as alternative to
braille 1 and 0 for testing?
>I can't read the details on my bank debit card because they
>are too small.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Taylor" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 5:19 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is 3d Dymo OK as alternative to
> braille 1 and 0 for testing?
>
>
> Yes, the system that would need to be learned is what on
> earth they mean.
> Using two digits to mean various other numbers would be
> very confusing. Most
> people can see enough to read print, or if not, then they
> almost all use
> braille. Dymo is very quick to do and just as easy as in
> print. Ordinary
> print dymo is also very hard to feel, even for such basic
> shapes. Raised
> print needs to be much larger than that, even for basic
> shapes.Also, people
> would not be able to tell which way up your system was to
> know which way
> round to read the number as both shapes are identical in
> each direction. If
> the unit is to be accessible to people who can't read
> print, whatever it is,
> it needs audible or tactile feedback anyway!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Jonathan
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:45 PM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is 3d Dymo OK as alternative to
> braille 1 and 0 for
> testing?
>
> Not sure what you mean by "recording system" - if you mean
> "reporting
> system", it was just a backup idea so anyone phoning the
> "help I'm
> stuck" number which IS in Braille, would be easily able to
> tell which
> unit it was.
> I also believed that most people with a visual impairment
> had
> developed it later in life, so would know that a zero is a
> circular
> shape, and a 1 is a vertical bar. Therefore, if I said
> "there is a tag
> with 4 raised non-braille representatives of the numbers 0
> and 1 on
> the back", I thought that might help.
>
> If you are saying that these shapes would require
> "learning an entire
> new system", then that's a different matter.
>
>
> On 30 June 2010 12:15, Dave Taylor <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>> No. This would require learning an entire new system.
>> Find a recording
>> system that doesn't require the person to read a number
>> off a product. Or
> do
>> your own braille with a Braille Labeller from RNIB. They
>> are not exactly
>> expensive!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
>> Jonathan
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:27 AM
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Is 3d Dymo OK as alternative to
>> braille 1 and 0 for
>> testing?
>>
>> I want to send out some items for test.
>> There are a slightly different variants of the item, so
>> I'd like to
>> put a serial number on the back so if someone phones to
>> report a
>> problem, question or suggestion, I can lookup which item
>> it was.
>> There are less than 12, so not worth getting braille
>> sheets made up.
>> I have this Dymo 3d labeller, the imprint is quite
>> tactile and well
>> spaced. Would people generally find it acceptable to have
>> a Dymo
>> sticker with:
>>
>> 1 0 1 0 for serial number 10.
>> 1 1 1 0 for serial number 13 etc
>>
>> Not that it matters that it's binary, but this would
>> allow me 16
>> distinct numbers, and to a non-braille person like me,
>> those two
>> numbers felt distinctively different.
>>
>> Just trying to gauge a group opinion on a quick temporary
>> solution to
>> a simple problem without annoying potential testers!
>>
>> Thank you!
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