Hi jackie I agree with you reguards rnib and also this internet radio scam. Vi organisations in this country never learn. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:23 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet radio update Hmm. Ray, it's like the RNIB membership scheme, where you get a nice little bi-monthly magazine that kids you into believing you find out more about what's going on if you become a member. I wonder what the Charity Commission would have to say about this radio? I've heard loads of cliches in the last week. Here's another one: "There's only one way to find out." Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet radio update > Thanks Jackie for the promised report-back on the accessible internet > radio. Well, almost accessible? > > Not sure folks what to make of this subject, but would I be far of the > mark to think this is a backdoor way of launching a product to an > unsuspecting and maybe too trusting market? Simply don't understand > particularly why stations have to be added for you. The final > question has to bee, What other solutions were being tried to make > this the one to go with? I've heard nothing on this score myself that > I can recall. > > I Must express my concern and anger at what I think is now becoming a > more and more obvious tendency of abuse in the charity sector due to a > blurring of lines and thinking, or lack of it, as to 'charitable > purpose' and what is business. > > I don't like this tendency that's growing now for our beloved > charities to seek to 'monitories' services by stealth and slight of > hand. Just a few days ago a cheeky bugger from RNIB on the Arena list > told us that the RNIB streaming service is entirely separate from the > Talking Book Service. That to my mind is a weasel way of saying > "different service, you pay again, in spite of the fact you are > already paying for something we're just tapping into, i.e. the long > established TB service." > > Sorry to say this, but I feel increasingly that our services are > falling into the hands of money makers who are less than up-front > about their agendas. For profit incentive entrepreneur, read, > "mercenary" and like mercenaries they'll soon get their arses out of > it if it doesn't pay. What angers me so much is its being done > seemingly under the auspices of well established and trusted > charities. Take care where you place your trust. (Interesting to see > Mr. Honest on here, aka Dave Anchors.) > > > From Ray > I can be contacted off-list at: > mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx > > > -----Original Message----- > Ankers, Dave (UK) > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet radio update > > > > Terry,/Jackie > > Perhaps you could ask for a response from the MD of Solutions Radio, > in order to resolve this solutions opportunity! > I always like to get the facts from the horses mouth, just so they > cannot say they have been mis-represented, and if the facts are e > indeed fact, I know one internet radio I won't be buying. > > Dave > > Jackie when I met with the lady from Solutions Radio I did say that it > was crucial that people could independently add stations. > I tell you the mainstream market wouldn't get away with this. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jackie Cairns <mailto:cairnsplace@xxxxxxx> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 12:07 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet radio update > > Terry, I asked Luke to repeat exactly what he meant to ensure I was > hearing it correctly while I processed the information. But that's > what he said. > > Relaying the infomation to Ian after my call, he made a very valid > point. He said he would want to know what would happen if you bought > a radio off them, and didn't subscribe to their newspapers service, as > we currently don't. Ian wondered if they would then decline to put > stations into the radio if you wanted them to, or whether they would > continue to support its existence. > > The other thing we don't like about this is the fact you have to keep > getting TNAUK to put the stations in you come across. We would feel a > lack of control of the whole thing personally. > > To me, this whole thing has the makings of a good story somewhere, > but then maybe it's my journalistic gut working overtime (smile). > > Incidentally Terry, sorry I didn't get to tell you what the Eurosport > number was for the tennis last week. By the time I read your Email, > the match was over. For future reference though, it is 410. > > Jackie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Clasper <mailto:terry.clasper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:54 AM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet radio update > > This sounds crazy,. > They are either having a trial or they are not. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jackie Cairns <mailto:cairnsplace@xxxxxxx> > To: Access UK Mailing List <mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:38 AM > Subject: [access-uk] Internet radio update > > Hi All > > Pin your ears back as I have an update that might be of interest to > some. > > My last post to this list on the thread of Internet radios > intimated I would let you know how I got on with a web radio that > TNAUK are trialing. A couple of weeks ago, they agreed to send me a > web radio when a customer who had finished with their set returned it > to them. > > At the end of last week, however, I got an Email from Ted Davis to > say that he had a web radio in stock if I wanted to purchase it for > £275.00. So I thought to myself, in typical Jackie fashion: "Why > would I want to buy a web radio if the trial is still going on, and > nobody has forked out any money for these sets to my knowledge?" So I > contacted TNAUK today, and spoke to Ted's colleague, Luke. > > The full story appears to be this. TNAUK are lending 15 web radios > to people at the moment to trial. Anyone over and above those 15 who > express an interest in the box must pay £275.00 for the privilege of > owning one. The trial ends at the end of February, but, he tells me, > things look "promising." According to TNAUK, RNIB have come to the > same conclusion as TNAUK that this way forward is the best solution. > > I asked Luke how I would be supported with a web radio if I bought > one, and he said that if I wanted an Internet radio station added to > it, I could contact them with the details, and they would have it put > in for me without the radio being returned to TNAUK. I used the > scenario of wanting Sky Radio in it, and he said this would be > possible. I then asked about future upgrades and support, and he said > that it depended on what was to happen after the trial. > > So my conclusion is that they appear to want to sell you a web box, > but can't guarantee you its lifespan after the trial ends next month > with the 15 recipients who are doing that for nothing. > > Since I am under no disclosure, I don't see why you shouldn't be > aware of this information. But I'm trying to suppress my own thoughts > because I can't decide whether it's me who is going mad, or whether > this whole thing has a very nasty taste about it. > > Sorry for the long post, but that's the latest. > > Jackie > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq No virus found in this incoming message. 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