no browsers currently support the ability to specify different media within style sheets EG for a CSS to display information in ne way for a screen and differently for a screenreaders speech synth or braille display even though it is theoreticly possible with the stylesheet itself. so, it's because of the level of detail of information that firefox is passing to jaws. obviously firefox can only pass the information on if it is on the website being viewed so apparently it is on the bbc site. all to do with the degree of standards conformance of the browser. the next release of the opera browser, version 9.5 I think, is suppose to include some level at least of screenreader support which should be good news too as opera are excellent at follow web standards and have done much in the arena of accessibility overall. Adrian Higginbotham Accessibility content manager British Educational Communications and Technology Agency - BECTA Tel: Direct dial 024 7679 7333 - Becta switchboard 02476-416994. Email: Adrian.Higginbotham@xxxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.becta.org.uk/ BECTA, Millburn Hill Road, Science Park, Coventry, CV4 7JJ ________________________________ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Damon Rose Sent: 07 August 2007 12:40 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Indenting websites on Braille displays HI there. I note that Mozilla Firefox with JAWS 8 displays the BBC News web page very logically if you have a braille display. It's something of a useful revelation actually, the way it indents some content to help you understand the page more easily. Though I noted this on the BBC news site, I haven't seen Firefox do it anywhere else yet. Question for today: can you alter internet explorer or JAWS so that braille indenting occurs? So that, for instance, nested lists and headings actually make sense and look nested rather than just saying they are? Spoken nests are, in my opinion, too complex to get your head round oftentimes. Indents not words please. Any light anyone can shed on indenting with braille displays on the web much appreciated. Cheers ...damon Damon Rose Content Producer: Ouch, Ouch Podcast, See Hear. www.bbc.co.uk/ouch <file://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch> \ www.bbc.co.uk/seehear <file://www.bbc.co.uk/seehear> Have you heard the Ouch Podcast yet? A razor sharp disability talk show presented by Mat Fraser and Liz Carr: www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/podcast <file://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/podcast> Tel: 020 8752 4427 (x0224427) email: damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.