it could of course be a genuine attempt to help the blind and VI world! smile. just like the co-op have started brailling quite a lot of their own brand products, but noone else does as yet. kevin - (lord l) "Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice"-Will Durant contact me: email/msn: kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx skype: lordandladyl ----- Original Message ----- From: Tristram Llewellyn To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 11:56 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: HEADPHONES I wonder if they were granted a patent for that, and if so whether it may have already expired anyway or about to do so shortly. It is not a registered trademark I'm pretty sure. Regards. Tristram Llewellyn Sight and Sound Technology Technical Support www.sightandsound.co.uk