[access-uk] Re: Fw: Response from Lloyds TSB re chip & pin at home

  • From: "Colin Fowler" <col.fowler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 06:33:32 +0100

Steve,

Because they have to be considered in context! The context being "not being 
treated at a disadvantage compared with others...."
Obviously the principal of being treated at a disadvantage in respect to the 
security implications is beyond the simple comprehension of some on this 
list!



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:18 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Response from Lloyds TSB re chip & pin at home


> Hi Derek,
>
> Thanks for that, a nice clear explanation.  Why don't people get the words
> reasonable and adjustment and settle for it sometimes?
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
> Of
> Derek Hornby
> Sent: 21 May 2007 20:35
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Response from Lloyds TSB re chip & pin at 
> home
>
> Colin said:
> "You're guaranteed against fraud already provided you can evidence
> that you did not purposely allow your online details to be compromised.
> So what is the reasonable adjustment there?"
>
> Ok  the bank can say:
> "here is your key  pad  you must use it"
>
> You can't, because blind.
> So  the bank says:
> "ok  as you can't use the key pad  we will let you stay with old set-up."
> Reasonable adjustment!
> I think the point is,   the key pads simply are  aimed to  cut  the bank's
> losses.
> But  at end of the  day allowing  us to stay with present system makes
> no  difference  to us, it  just means  the bank is willing to  take the
> extra risk, but only for those that can't use the key pads.
>
> It's like chip & PIN  in the  shops. The banks  would prefer
> everyone to use  chip & Pin  in the  shops, but some people can't.
> So  chip & signature  is  available.
> But those that  use chip & signature,  the banks  take on the extra risk.
> Regards,
> Derek
>
> e-mail: derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
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