Hi Dave.
Couldn't agree with you more.
Best wishes.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <groups.dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 3:58 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Fw: Re: RNIB Student Library Booklist on Counselling
> Hi,
>
> I'm sorry to say but people who complain and then don't support
> organisations that could have helped them don't get my sympathy. I've
> spent years trying to keep Abapstas alive, publicised it on this list,
and
> all sorts. If you don't like it, either do something about it or don't,
> but if you don't, please don't moan about it! Able bodied and fully
> sighted people have to work hard to achieve, why shouldn't we? There are
> people who would help but nobody will put in the time to support them.
We
> need numbers, organisations who would make it less personal and make
sure
> you aren't prejudiced, but nobody will join them! Nobody is going to
fight
> for you unless you contribute, in which case there have always been
> sources of help.
>
> Sorry, no sympathy!
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Logue" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:49 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Student Library Booklist on Counselling
>
>
>> Hi Dave.
>>
>> It's fine saying that universities should provide the materials in a
>> format that we as visually impaired people need, but in reality, they
>> will not, unless a fuss is made. I telephoned both Jordonhill Collage
>> and the Caledonian University in Glasgow, to arrange access into their
>> libraries and was told, some four weeks later, that I'd have to pay
>> something like £25.00 for membership. Goodness knows what would happen
>> if I asked them to record a particular book for me. The thing that
gets
>> me is that the RNIB claim to be supporting vip people and seek out
>> donations throughout the land, which often tug at the heart strings of
>> fully sighted people., Just look at their web site. I'm beginning to
>> think that it suits the RNIB and others, that so many of us, so called
>> blind people are not in employment nor fully integrated into society.
>>
>> Education is indeed the key and the RNIB should recognise that and make
>> it clear that they are encouraging and supporting vip students on their
>> web sites. Furthermore, there should be practible assistance and
support
>> made easily available, and definitely, vip students should not have to
>> pay over £10.00 for a catalogue of information for students.
>>
>> Smile, though nothing really changes eh?
>>
>> Best wishes.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Taylor" <groups.dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:13 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Student Library Booklist on Counselling
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> OK. let me give some context here. I declare an interest in that I
used
>>> to work in a similar area of RNIB though I didn't have control of
>>> library services.
>>>
>>> RNIB has a certain amount of money it can spend on subsidising
services.
>>> In recent years, they have been trying to use that to the best effect.
>>> Therefore, if the service could, or should, be provided by somebody
>>> else, they don't recreate it. Universities are responsible for
ensuring
>>> courses are accessible now by law, so they should be the people that
use
>>> the library. After all, they provide all their other students with a
>>> library, so why not us too? Why would we not be able to go to our uni
>>> library and sort things out there and then, rather than having to
chase
>>> round? Now I know it doesn't actually work like that, but that is
where
>>> we should really be, and unis would pay, just like they would pay for
>>> regular library stock etc. That means, in theory, we still get our
books
>>> and RNIB can subsidise something else.
>>>
>>> In reality, such arrangements will not cover everybody in the
>>> foreseeable future though, so they can't just withdraw library
services
>>> from us.
>>>
>>> I do agree that they don't make it easy to find out about publications
>>> though and that working age people get the worst deal from RNIB. I do
>>> know a visually impaired person who does a lot of their employment
work
>>> now, and he does talk to lots of employers and try to raise awareness
as
>>> well as running various new services. You might like to look for their
>>> "work matters" strategy to see what they've done, or not done! Nobody
>>> can do everything though!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Dave
>>>
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