[access-uk] Fw: Re: Fw: Re: RNIB Student Library Booklist on Counselling
- From: "David Taylor" <groups.dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:39:31 +0100
Hi,
Could I venture to suggest that this is all off topic for this list? It would
be better discussed on the association of blind and partially sighted teachers
and students list. To join, send blank email to
abapstas-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and to post send mail to
abapstas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
If it isn't technology it isn't for this list, so I apologise for posting here
too, and if it's education, it's definitely Abapstas business.
Cheers
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Emma Wright
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Re: RNIB Student Library Booklist on Counselling
It's all very well the assuming the reading lists don't change much from year
to year, but relying on old lists has often lead to my University spending a
lot of time and my DSA money enlarging books that don't make it to the current
year's list! In sociology, lecturers seem expected to use different books each
year to stay up-to-date, and rarely seem to have a book list ready for the
start of term so I'm lucky if I get my books before the module is over. I've
lost count of the number of times I requested booklists in advance to be told
by lecturers that they haven't had a chance to revise them yet. I'm conducting
research into the subject of reasonable adjustments, and although I'm not far
in yet, I keep hearing how much lists are needed in advance, but how they are
rarely provided. When I talk to lecturers about it, they complain that they
aren't given enough time to prepare their courses, so it seems to me it is down
to departments to make it cler to their staff that readings lists must be made
available in advance and, most importantly, give them adequate time in their
schedules to do so.
Emma Wright
On 20/09/06, Andy Logue <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Dave.
Couldn't agree with you more.
Best wishes.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <groups.dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 3:58 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Fw: Re: RNIB Student Library Booklist on Counselling
> Hi,
>
> I'm sorry to say but people who complain and then don't support
> organisations that could have helped them don't get my sympathy. I've
> spent years trying to keep Abapstas alive, publicised it on this list, and
> all sorts. If you don't like it, either do something about it or don't,
> but if you don't, please don't moan about it! Able bodied and fully
> sighted people have to work hard to achieve, why shouldn't we? There are
> people who would help but nobody will put in the time to support them. We
> need numbers, organisations who would make it less personal and make sure
> you aren't prejudiced, but nobody will join them! Nobody is going to fight
> for you unless you contribute, in which case there have always been
> sources of help.
>
> Sorry, no sympathy!
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Logue" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:49 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Student Library Booklist on Counselling
>
>
>> Hi Dave.
>>
>> It's fine saying that universities should provide the materials in a
>> format that we as visually impaired people need, but in reality, they
>> will not, unless a fuss is made. I telephoned both Jordonhill Collage
>> and the Caledonian University in Glasgow, to arrange access into their
>> libraries and was told, some four weeks later, that I'd have to pay
>> something like £25.00 for membership. Goodness knows what would happen
>> if I asked them to record a particular book for me. The thing that gets
>> me is that the RNIB claim to be supporting vip people and seek out
>> donations throughout the land, which often tug at the heart strings of
>> fully sighted people., Just look at their web site. I'm beginning to
>> think that it suits the RNIB and others, that so many of us, so called
>> blind people are not in employment nor fully integrated into society.
>>
>> Education is indeed the key and the RNIB should recognise that and make
>> it clear that they are encouraging and supporting vip students on their
>> web sites. Furthermore, there should be practible assistance and support
>> made easily available, and definitely, vip students should not have to
>> pay over £10.00 for a catalogue of information for students.
>>
>> Smile, though nothing really changes eh?
>>
>> Best wishes.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Taylor" < groups.dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:13 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Student Library Booklist on Counselling
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> OK. let me give some context here. I declare an interest in that I used
>>> to work in a similar area of RNIB though I didn't have control of
>>> library services.
>>>
>>> RNIB has a certain amount of money it can spend on subsidising services.
>>> In recent years, they have been trying to use that to the best effect.
>>> Therefore, if the service could, or should, be provided by somebody
>>> else, they don't recreate it. Universities are responsible for ensuring
>>> courses are accessible now by law, so they should be the people that use
>>> the library. After all, they provide all their other students with a
>>> library, so why not us too? Why would we not be able to go to our uni
>>> library and sort things out there and then, rather than having to chase
>>> round? Now I know it doesn't actually work like that, but that is where
>>> we should really be, and unis would pay, just like they would pay for
>>> regular library stock etc. That means, in theory, we still get our books
>>> and RNIB can subsidise something else.
>>>
>>> In reality, such arrangements will not cover everybody in the
>>> foreseeable future though, so they can't just withdraw library services
>>> from us.
>>>
>>> I do agree that they don't make it easy to find out about publications
>>> though and that working age people get the worst deal from RNIB. I do
>>> know a visually impaired person who does a lot of their employment work
>>> now, and he does talk to lots of employers and try to raise awareness as
>>> well as running various new services. You might like to look for their
>>> "work matters" strategy to see what they've done, or not done! Nobody
>>> can do everything though!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Dave
>>>
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