[access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
- From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:38:25 +0100
what is the point of speech if it just says star?
Graham Page
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----- Original Message -----
From: "yusuf" <yusufaosman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:07 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
Presumably your concerns are with someone hearing your PIN? Surely the
speech would say exactly the same as WE, Jaws and Hal do when you enter a
password Ie Star.
Also there could be headphones to use.
Yusuf
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:41 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
> not keen on speech as others would be able to hear it.
> Graham Page
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "yusuf" <yusufaosman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:16 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
>
>
> Steve, I agree with you to a certain extent. However, I think that there
> could have been more work done to ensure that the machines were easier to
> use, for example standard keypads, louder tones to indicate that buttons
> have been pressed (I for one have thought that I had entered my PIN to
> find
> that a button had not been recognised when I pressed it) and given the
> simplicity of the technology I don't see why speech could not have been
> integrated from the start.
>
> Not sure what I think about your experience in the States. On one hand it
> does add a layer of security but then again its another thing to carry
> around which if stolen or lost isn't the easiest thing to get replaced.
> Mind
> you the upcoming ID card scheme might be ideal for it except it won't be
> compulsory.
> Yusuf
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:59 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
>
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> While I am glad of the information here, I do wish there wasn't such a
>> negative light shed on chip and pin. It is a great system, and a better
>> alternative than the signature in my view, which is easy to forge. I do
>> appreciate that some people can't use it, but there seems to be this
>> thing
>> that the blind can't use it also. For goodness' sake, it is just like
>> dialing a telephone, and so long as you remember the PIN, you're OK for
>> the
>> most part.
>>
>> An even better system I saw recently, was in the USA. They want a piece
>> of
>> ID before you can use your credit card, such as a driving licence, or
>> passport. I thought this too was a good system.
>>
>> All the best
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> David Quarmby
>> Sent: 25 March 2006 08:09
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
>>
>> For information; please circulate
>>
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>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:24 PM
>> Subject: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
>>
>>
>> The TUC has been supporting the Disability Rights Commission in its work
>> to
>> prevent discrimination against disabled people - especially learning
>> disabled people - through the adoption of chip and pin technology. Having
>> failed to make real progress in discussion with the banks etc, the DRC is
>> now considering legal action if suitable cases can be identified.
>>
>> They have asked the TUC for help in identifying individuals who may have
>> suffered discrimination through the failure of suppliers to accept
>> alternatives to Chip and Pin.
>> They ask anyone with a possible case to first contact the DRC Helpline,
>> 08457 622633 (textphone 08457 622644, fax 08457 778878) - helpline
>> advisers
>> will discuss the case with the caller and if appropriate pass it on to
>> the
>> legal team.
>> Please can you circulate this information through any networks and
>> encourage
>> anyone - especially a learning disabled member - with a possible case, to
>> contact the DRC helpline.
>> Thanks,
>> Peter Purton
>> Policy Officer, Disability, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual Transgender Rights
>> Equality & Employment Rights Department, TUC tel. 020 7467 1271 email
>> ppurton@xxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Visit the website www.tuc.org.uk/changingtimes
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