Jackie,
Quite right.
All the best,
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Jackie
Brown
Sent: 04 July 2020 08:35
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: Freedom Scientific, between Capitalism and Human
Rights, your participation in this crucial dialog is absolutely appreciated
Simon, the bottom line is that you seem to have a rather large chip on your
shoulder about the cost of access kit, and while I accept a lot of it is
expensive, particularly Braille devices, it is up to the individual to make
lifestyle choices. Use a free screen reader if that helps you bypass the JAWS
model, you aren't being forced to buy it!
Kind regards,
Jackie Brown
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horseback
Sent: 03 July 2020 19:32
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I for one am really sick of people always trying to pass the buck on to PIP all
the time, with out realizing that when they do this, it doesn't stretch that
far to meet all those buck passers.
Simon
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To be fair though, JAWS tends to be discounted at this time of year,practicality.
as are the SMA prices. And if you can't afford JAWS even at the
discounted price, then you have Narrator and NVDA. I know this is
contentious, but we do receive PIP to assist with such costs. I know
there are charities who offer grants, though I appreciate you have to
jump through a lot of hoops to avail of them. I guess it depends what
you consider to be more important in what lifestyle choices you make,
there is no such thing as a free lunch. I sometimes wonder what is
being done to JAWS every single year to justify the SMA, but it's
important to me to use it so I accept that it has to keep up-to-date
with Microsoft if I want to continue using Windows. For example, you
won't get away with using Microsoft 365 or Microsoft Edge if you
continue to cling to an older version of JAWS. That means having to
pay for the updates, that's just the way it is if you want to shop or
bank online safely. If nobody paid for JAWS updates, and there were
no SMA pathways, your computing experience would begin to deteriorate
pretty quickly if you wanted to keep updating Windows. Yes you could
stay put on an old version of JAWS running on an old version of
Windows, but your options would decrease substantially.
If you resent the FS model, learn the Mac and depend solely on Apple
for your accessibility, thousands of blind people do and love it.
Kind regards,
Jackie Brown
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goshawk on horseback
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Human Rights, your participation in this crucial dialog is absolutely
appreciated
since the scrapping of window-eyes by FS, I would disagree, as that's
one choice less now.
Simon
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Hi Steve and David
I agree with you both. I jump to NVDA and Narrator when I have to,
but I do think JAWS has it when it comes to proofreading and Braille
support.
It's a pointless argument anyway, people have to do what they are
comfortable with, and at least there are more screen reader choices
than there used to be.
Kind regards,
Jackie Brown
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Steve Nutt
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Hi David,
This is why I agree with you too.
If you are a home user, or hobbyist, then NVDA or Narrator is enough.
But if you need advanced screen reading, then it currently has to be
JAWS.
What other screen reader for example, offers text analysis? This is
crucial to me to make presentable documents.
I agree that NVDA and Narrator far out perform JAWS in aspects such
as responsiveness, but that is not enough for someone in employment.
All the best
Steve
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Whilst I am sympathetic to the frustration expressed here I believe
that I will be a Jaws user for the foreseeable future. This is
because I consider access not just a matter of principle but of
here shall naturally be, why?I want the best possible access solutions currently available on my
tech so that I can achieve the best standard of productivity and
quality in the admittedly limited hours of work I perform. I am
nearly completely retired now but would still urge anybody in
employment who is dependent on a screenreader to seek the full range
of screen reading assistance available. It is tough enough competing
with sighted colleague to provide best value employee performance as
good as or better than a sighted employee without sacrificing all
the tools at your disposal.
I use not just Jaws but NVDA and Narrator every week in a myriad of
tasks.
Unfortunately there are a whole range of situations in which NVDA or
Narrator just will not cut it and I need to use Jaws. I freely admit
there are occasions that NVDA, and increasingly Narrator, will in
some tasks perform better than Jaws.
This does not gainsay the truth that Jaws, and especially the Jaws
cursor is required in many situations where NVDA and Narrator both
fail completely.
Just this evening I was having to use a m4b to mp3 convertor. This is
completely impossible to use with NVDA and Narrator. Both the add
and convert buttons could only be found by the Jaws cursor.
So to put it bluntly I am not prepared to cripple aspect of my
access in order to satisfy frustrations against FS. Whether FS can
justify all their pricing structures is another matter. I see no
realistic way that they could provide Jaws for free. Whilst they
remain a third party business and not part of mainstream OS funding I
can seen no business model which does not require them to employ
staff to keep their products updated in a constantly changing OS
environment. An old version of Jaws will simply not work today.
. tiff.
The alternative of using largely unpaid volunteer resources with a
small core of employees to update products is the route pursued by
NVDA, but even here there are costs met by donations and grants from
blindness organisations alongside other grants from people like
Microsoft. There is really no free lunch.
David G.
On 2 Jul 2020, at 22:09, Mostafa Almahdy <mostafa.almahdy@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
Freedom Scientific is the largest manufacturer that produces
assistive technology solutions worldwide. Nonetheless, it
manipulates this throttled market through base policy. At its
inception, it charges visually impaired clients so high to qualify
them licensed to use Jaws, for certain time. After their license
period has expired, they are required to upgrade, through paying
substantial amount to temporarily use the license again and after
awhile, it eventually expires. You are now trapped in this vicious
cycle. To perpetually use their Jaws, you have got to pay them
money, relentlessly. And, despite what they throw at you in their
unvalued mendings, updates etc, you ought to give them money, with a
smile. Even scripts which are additional elements destined to
enhance performance, are going to cost you a fortune. Now, the
question
you folks?product?What for do I need to pay all this, to obtain a not so well given
People are generically enslaved to this concept. Jaws has somewhat
influenced its users to unconsciously pay to keep upgraded, without
asking themselves, um, is it really worth it? Freedom Scientific
takes advantage of its broadly mega establishment to tremendously
dominate more people and trammel them into the Jaws immense delusion.
I fortuitously, have wholly emancipated myself from this grave deceit.
Why am I need to be infinitely impounded to such capitalistic entity?
Furthermore, by doing so, Freedom Scientific explicitly violates
human rights declaration recognised by United Nations consignment,
which plainly states, that equal access of information is eminently
professed to everyone. Thence, I mutually urge firm Jaws users and
Freedom Scientific staff to interact with this proposition. I do not
attempt here to politicise the matter. But for certain, this
conversation has got an ethical scope affiliated with it. I am keen
to stiffen this useful discussion and exchange opinions. I
personally feel so comfortable using open source solutions. What
about
Do you feel somewhat compelled to stick to Jaws, despite the fact,
that it costs you more than what it actually deserves? Is the money
you pay worth what Jaws offers? I in this undisclosed list, have
included Freedom Scientific representatives, to hear their
perspective as well. I just hope, not to be shunned, disposed or
affronted based on my sentimental notions. I now look forward to
hearing from people, everywhere across the globe. Thanks for
reading, Mustafa
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