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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of goshawk on
horseback
Sent: 03 July 2020 16:41
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Freedom Scientific, between Capitalism and Human
Rights, your participation in this crucial dialog is absolutely appreciated
but if one does need them, but can't get them because of the outrageously high
pricing, then what?
Simon
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From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, July 03, 2020 8:52 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Freedom Scientific, between Capitalism and Human
Rights, your participation in this crucial dialog is absolutely appreciated
So who would pay the wages of these developers that put in the unique
features that JAWS has?
As I say, if you don't need the advanced features, then use
NVDA/Narrator and be happy. No one is forcing you to pay for JAWS.
All the best
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of
Mostafa Almahdy
Sent: 03 July 2020 03:52
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Freedom Scientific, between Capitalism and
Human Rights, your participation in this crucial dialog is absolutely
appreciated
Well, David, thank you so much for your participation. Your point is
absolutely clear. Nonetheless, I believe, that folks at Freedom
Scientific overcharge for their upgrade programs. Especially, if
you're running an earlier version of Jaws and you want to get the
latest built. NVDA access is increasingly improving and so Narrator.
So, is Freedom Scientific willing to slightly reduce Jaws's cost or,
make a free version, not a demo, but a free copy that does not include
all the features. My question here is, is it worth it, to pay all
this, to maintain your Jaws license. That's the crucial concern here.
On 7/3/20, David Griffith <daj.griffith@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Whilst I am sympathetic to the frustration expressed here I believe
that I will be a Jaws user for the foreseeable future. This is
because I consider access not just a matter of principle but of practicality.
I want the best possible access solutions currently available on my
tech so that I can achieve the best standard of productivity and
quality in the admittedly limited hours of work I perform. I am
nearly completely retired now but would still urge anybody in
employment who is dependent on a screenreader to seek the full range
of screen reading assistance available. It is tough enough competing
with sighted colleague to provide best value employee performance as
good as or better than a sighted employee without sacrificing all
the tools at your disposal.
I use not just Jaws but NVDA and Narrator every week in a myriad of
tasks.
Unfortunately there are a whole range of situations in which NVDA or
Narrator just will not cut it and I need to use Jaws. I freely admit
there are occasions that NVDA, and increasingly Narrator, will in
some tasks perform better than Jaws.
This does not gainsay the truth that Jaws, and especially the Jaws
cursor is required in many situations where NVDA and Narrator both
fail completely.
Just this evening I was having to use a m4b to mp3 convertor. This is
completely impossible to use with NVDA and Narrator. Both the add
and convert buttons could only be found by the Jaws cursor.
So to put it bluntly I am not prepared to cripple aspect of my
access in order to satisfy frustrations against FS. Whether FS can
justify all their pricing structures is another matter. I see no
realistic way that they could provide Jaws for free. Whilst they
remain a third party business and not part of mainstream OS funding I
can seen no business model which does not require them to employ
staff to keep their products updated in a constantly changing OS
environment. An old version of Jaws will simply not work today.
. tiff.
The alternative of using largely unpaid volunteer resources with a
small core of employees to update products is the route pursued by
NVDA, but even here there are costs met by donations and grants from
blindness organisations alongside other grants from people like
Microsoft. There is really no free lunch.
David G.
On 2 Jul 2020, at 22:09, Mostafa Almahdy <mostafa.almahdy@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Freedom Scientific is the largest manufacturer that produces
assistive technology solutions worldwide. Nonetheless, it
manipulates this throttled market through base policy. At its
inception, it charges visually impaired clients so high to qualify
them licensed to use Jaws, for certain time. After their license
period has expired, they are required to upgrade, through paying
substantial amount to temporarily use the license again and after
awhile, it eventually expires. You are now trapped in this vicious
cycle. To perpetually use their Jaws, you have got to pay them
money, relentlessly. And, despite what they throw at you in their
unvalued mendings, updates etc, you ought to give them money, with a
smile. Even scripts which are additional elements destined to
enhance performance, are going to cost you a fortune. Now, the question
here shall naturally be, why?
What for do I need to pay all this, to obtain a not so well given
product?
People are generically enslaved to this concept. Jaws has somewhat
influenced its users to unconsciously pay to keep upgraded, without
asking themselves, um, is it really worth it? Freedom Scientific
takes advantage of its broadly mega establishment to tremendously
dominate more people and trammel them into the Jaws immense delusion.
I fortuitously, have wholly emancipated myself from this grave deceit.
Why am I need to be infinitely impounded to such capitalistic entity?
Furthermore, by doing so, Freedom Scientific explicitly violates
human rights declaration recognised by United Nations consignment,
which plainly states, that equal access of information is eminently
professed to everyone. Thence, I mutually urge firm Jaws users and
Freedom Scientific staff to interact with this proposition. I do not
attempt here to politicise the matter. But for certain, this
conversation has got an ethical scope affiliated with it. I am keen
to stiffen this useful discussion and exchange opinions. I
personally feel so comfortable using open source solutions. What about you
folks?
Do you feel somewhat compelled to stick to Jaws, despite the fact,
that it costs you more than what it actually deserves? Is the money
you pay worth what Jaws offers? I in this undisclosed list, have
included Freedom Scientific representatives, to hear their
perspective as well. I just hope, not to be shunned, disposed or
affronted based on my sentimental notions. I now look forward to
hearing from people, everywhere across the globe. Thanks for
reading, Mustafa
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