[access-uk] Re: Freedom Scientific, between Capitalism and Human Rights, your participation in this crucial dialog is absolutely appreciated

  • From: "goshawk on horseback" <goshawk_on_horseback@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 16:38:02 +0100

exactly! especially after they were permitted to remove there window-eyes competitor, with no let/hindrance.

Simon


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As they now have an almost monopoly, I guess they feel they can do what they like.
Alison


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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Mostafa Almahdy
Sent: 03 July 2020 03:52
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: Freedom Scientific, between Capitalism and Human Rights, your participation in this crucial dialog is absolutely appreciated

Well, David, thank you so much for your participation. Your point is absolutely clear. Nonetheless, I believe, that folks at Freedom Scientific overcharge for their upgrade programs. Especially, if you're running an earlier version of Jaws and you want to get the latest built. NVDA access is increasingly improving and so Narrator.
So, is Freedom Scientific willing to slightly reduce Jaws's cost or, make a free version, not a demo, but a free copy that does not include all the features. My question here is, is it worth it, to pay all this, to maintain your Jaws license. That's the crucial concern here.

On 7/3/20, David Griffith <daj.griffith@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Whilst I am sympathetic to the frustration  expressed here I believe
that I will be a Jaws user for the foreseeable future. This is because
I consider access not just a matter of principle but of practicality.
I want the best possible access solutions currently available on my
tech so that I can achieve the best standard of productivity and
quality in the admittedly limited hours of work I perform.  I  am
nearly completely retired now but would still urge anybody in
employment  who is dependent on a screenreader to seek the full range
of screen reading  assistance available. It is tough enough competing
with sighted colleague to provide best value employee performance as
good as or better than a sighted employee without sacrificing all the tools at your disposal.
I use not just Jaws but NVDA and Narrator every week in a myriad of tasks.
Unfortunately  there are a whole range of situations in which NVDA or
Narrator just will not cut it and I need to use Jaws. I freely admit
there are occasions that NVDA, and increasingly Narrator, will in some
tasks perform better than Jaws.
 This does not gainsay the truth that Jaws, and especially the Jaws
cursor is required in many situations where NVDA and Narrator both fail completely.
Just this evening I was having to use a m4b to mp3 convertor. This is
completely impossible to use with NVDA and Narrator.  Both the add and
convert buttons could only be found by the Jaws cursor.
So to put it bluntly I am not prepared  to cripple aspect of my access
in order to satisfy frustrations against FS. Whether FS can justify
all their pricing structures is another matter. I see no realistic way
that they could provide Jaws for  free.  Whilst they remain a third
party business and not part of mainstream OS funding I can seen no
business model which does not require them to employ staff to keep
their products updated in a constantly changing OS environment. An old version of Jaws will simply not work today.
. tiff.
The alternative of using largely unpaid volunteer resources with  a
small core of employees  to update products  is the route pursued by
NVDA, but even here there are costs met by donations and grants from
blindness organisations alongside other grants from people like
Microsoft. There is really no free lunch.
 David G.


On 2 Jul 2020, at 22:09, Mostafa Almahdy <mostafa.almahdy@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Freedom Scientific is the largest manufacturer that produces
assistive technology solutions worldwide. Nonetheless, it manipulates
this throttled market through base policy. At its inception, it
charges visually impaired clients so high to qualify them licensed to
use Jaws, for certain time. After their license period has expired,
they are required to upgrade, through paying substantial amount to
temporarily use the license again and after awhile, it eventually
expires. You are now trapped in this vicious cycle. To perpetually
use their Jaws, you have got to pay them money, relentlessly. And,
despite what they throw at you in their unvalued mendings, updates
etc, you ought to give them money, with a smile. Even scripts which
are additional elements destined to enhance performance, are going to
cost you a fortune. Now, the question here shall naturally be, why?
What for do I need to pay all this, to obtain a not so well given product?
People are generically enslaved to this concept. Jaws has somewhat
influenced its users to unconsciously pay to keep upgraded, without
asking themselves, um, is it really worth it? Freedom Scientific
takes advantage of its broadly mega establishment to tremendously
dominate more people and trammel them into the Jaws immense delusion.
I fortuitously, have wholly emancipated myself from this grave deceit.
Why am I need to be infinitely impounded to such capitalistic entity?
Furthermore, by doing so, Freedom Scientific explicitly violates
human rights declaration recognised by United Nations consignment,
which plainly states, that equal access of information is eminently
professed to everyone. Thence, I mutually urge firm Jaws users and
Freedom Scientific staff to interact with this proposition. I do not
attempt here to politicise the matter. But for certain, this
conversation has got an ethical scope affiliated with it. I am keen
to stiffen this useful discussion and exchange opinions. I personally
feel so comfortable using open source solutions. What about you folks?
Do you feel somewhat compelled to stick to Jaws, despite the fact,
that it costs you more than what it actually deserves? Is the money
you pay worth what Jaws offers? I in this undisclosed list, have
included Freedom Scientific representatives, to hear their
perspective as well. I just hope, not to be shunned, disposed or
affronted based on my sentimental notions. I now look forward to
hearing from people, everywhere across the globe. Thanks for reading,
Mustafa



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