msn and email aren't the same as what facebook does Graham. On MSN I can't see your friends. I also can't see yur friends friends. I can on Facebook and I can contact them. You create a web of contacts and networks. It's perhaps not fully understandable until you've been there and played with it. It is social networking not chat. But I guess it depends on whether you're interested in keeping up business acquaintances and stuff like that. linked-in is also the same kind of thing. ...Damon ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Page To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Facebook - how to make it more accessible not that bothered about facebook personally, as generally I talk to all the people I want and need to talk to through MSN and email but probably, if it works with JAWS it will work with other screenreaders anyway assuming they have a decent set of web navigation tools. window-eyes should certainly be no problem and Supernova/hal should work too. Regards Graham Graham Page Home Phone: 0207 265 9493 Mobile: 07753 607980 Fax: 0870 706 2773 Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: gabriel_mcbird ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Beasley To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Facebook - how to make it more accessible Why only jaws users? ----- Original Message ----- From: Damon To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:24 AM Subject: [access-uk] Facebook - how to make it more accessible Hi! Bit of progress here. I was banging on about facebook.com the other week. It's the big social networking site that everyone is talking and writing about. It's good in order to network, keep in touch with friends and business acquaintances. You can also find like-minded people there and all sorts. It seems that if you're not on facebook, you're not a proper human being if you are to believe The Guardian. The main barrier to using it is the verification graphic that you need to copy into a box at registration. Once beyond this point, you can use many of the features but some features have a further verification graphic that you need to get past in order to be able to add contacts, do email etc. I can now report, however, that after an email to the support team, they have taken away verification graphics for my account. What this now means is that I can use all of facebook's services. But at this stage it still means you need to be able to read verification graphics at the point of registration. Luckily though it's a once only thing now and they are working on an audio captcha idea. In order to get the graphics removed, go to the bottom of the page, click on help and find the help section about problems with registration. Get past all the FAQ stuff, you're looking for a form to fill in and send to the team. Within about 24 hours your internal verification graphics will be gone for good. I've started a really informal chat with one of the people there who is enthusiastic about accessibility too. She tells me she is now in contact with a few jaws users and they are really keen to move their product on. They have recently made their Gift Shop accessible. It works well. Go and give it a go. I urge you. Since being on facebook I have collected up around 21 friends and almost on a daily basis I am getting people who know me or have known me suddnly seeing I'm there and adding me to their friends list. I realise that talking about it in the abstract is just that, rather abstract, so go and give it a go. It would be awesome to create a blind network on there. And then offshoots can come out of, or feed into, that network and it could be really positive and interesting. And we can also help them hone the look and feel of their page, which isn't too bad usability wise, but the point is they are listening and keen to improve. Great news from a site with real egalitarian ambition. ...Damon damon.rose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx skype: damonrose London, England. __________ NOD32 2358 (20070627) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com