Colin, Where can you buy or get hold of one of these attendants and do they have Braille markings to identify them? (smile) Also, there are supposed to be about 7,000 establishments that can be entered using the Radar key. How much is it going to cost to change all the locks to electronic versions? And by the time they do all this there will be a new way of accessing ... and so on. Jim Williams -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Colin Fowler Sent: 11 March 2011 10:43 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Testing the Radar National Key Scheme App you don't actually need a key anyhow, just locate an attendant and they will open the accessible toilet for you without question ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANDY COLLINS" <Andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:39 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Testing the Radar National Key Scheme App > Thing is, everybody qualifies for a RADAR key on the grounds of > non-discrimination. The public can buy them from places such as tourist > kiosks - > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 9:34 AM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Testing the Radar National Key Scheme App > > >> Hi Janet. >> >> I guess its because a key is the simplest form of unlocking device. >> After all, you could make the same argument about house keys and even >> window locks, heck the window locks in our bungalow have these tiny keys >> which always seem to go missing and which never seem to work or which jam >> the locks etc. I could argue on that basis for electronically controlled >> front door and window locking mechanisms, but then I'd have to carry >> around a fob or something to use to unlock them, plus what if the thing >> runs out of batteries? Also, the reason for the huge key design is so >> that people who have dexterity problems can twist the keys. A lot of >> people seem to forget that blindness is not the only disability people >> have, and RADAR gives these keys out to everyone who qualifies. >> >> All the best, Ibrahim. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Colin Fowler >> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 8:31 AM >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Testing the Radar National Key Scheme App >> >> in this technology driven age, why are RADAR still insisting on the >> carrying >> on our persons of a whopping great lump of ironmongery? surely they could >> have developed the technology for an ap that unlocks these toilets >> without. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janet Tuggey" <janet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; >> <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 8:25 AM >> Subject: [access-uk] FW: Testing the Radar National Key Scheme App >> >> >>> For info. >>> >>> >>> Janet & Wheat, the silly Shepherd cross >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rebecca Fennings [mailto:rebecca.fennings@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>> Sent: 10 March 2011 11:17 >>> To: Rebecca Fennings >>> Subject: Testing the Radar National Key Scheme App >>> >>> A call to all iPhone users - can you help Radar test their new iPhone >>> app? >>> >>> >>> >>> Radar - the Royal Association for Disability Rights would really >>> appreciate >>> your help to test our new National Key Scheme (NKS) iPhone app. The app >>> has >>> been developed so that when disabled people, their families and friends >>> are >>> out and about with their Key and Guide they can be confident that they >>> can >>> locate, unlock and access one of the almost 9,000 accessible toilet >>> facilities in the UK. >>> >>> >>> >>> The Radar NKS key offers disabled people independent access to almost >>> 9,000 >>> locked public toilets in the country. 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