Hi Derek Probably because the letter S comes first, and once it was used up with "so", there wasn't much of an option with Z! (smile). Kind regards, Jackie Brown Twitter: @thebrownsplace Skype: Thejackmate -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Derek Hornby Sent: 22 May 2014 19:55 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent I agree I mean why does letter z stand for "as" Derek -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Iain Lackie Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:26 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent This is one of the problems with Braille: there is no real logic to braille contractions. There is an argument for doing away with grade 2 braille. I should say that it is not an argument with which I necessarily agree. Iain Sent from my iPhone On 22 May 2014, at 05:52 pm, "Eleanor Martha Burke" <eleanormarthaburke@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: If the letter K is standing out on its own it does. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Karl Proud Sent: 22 May 2014 17:45 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent Eleanor, You are correct of course, my position wasn't that braille isn't good at working for some people, just that it requires a learning curve that can be a waste of time if it doesn't provide a personal ambition. So, does a K letter in braille always stand for the word knowledge? You learn something new every day. Karl On 22 May 2014, at 04:44 pm, "Eleanor Martha Burke" <eleanormarthaburke@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Karl, if I had to write the word knowledge on a Braille machine/keyboard I would write the letter k. If I had to do same on a qwerty keyboard I would have to write knowledge. I think a single character in my example is much faster. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Karl Proud Sent: 22 May 2014 16:36 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent George, All great points of course, but they don't take into account the opportunity cost of learning braille to a high standard. You mention that using grade 2 braille is quicker than using a qwerty keyboard for writing notes, but not if a keyboard is already something you have experienced - would you argue ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq