When writing Braille over there, do you capitalize proper names?----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick" <the.big.white.shepherd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:07 PMSubject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
I was the same, when I did Braille at the school there were no capital letters. when I got to do typing then I got introduced to the capital letter.On 22/05/2014 14:23, Norman Waddington wrote:Hi, I was taught normal Englis grade 2 braille firstly. When I had typing lessons then and only then was I introduced to capital letters etc. Norman.-----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Martha Burke Sent: 22 May 2014 12:41 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent Interesting Jackie because I understood I learned English Braille which didnot have any punctuation other than the common ones and no capital letters but then perhaps you learned it after me. I certainly do not recall books from NLB with English Braille with capital letters or all this punctuationof underlining, italic etc. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Brown Sent: 22 May 2014 12:33 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent Interesting Eleanor. Perhaps people like Steve Nutt and I were lucky tohave good Braille tuition at our school in that era. It is one of the few things about boarding-school I guess I am grateful for. And I suppose itdepends whether you like using Braille and can make it the tool it hasalways been for me at least. I am passionate about it, and I am not surethere is a day that passes when I don't come into contact with it for something.True everyone is different, but I will never be dissuaded from the beliefthat youngsters today should be taught Braille wherever possible if they have a severe visual impairment where print is of no value to them. Kind regards, Jackie Brown Twitter: @thebrownsplace Skype: Thejackmate -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Martha Burke Sent: 22 May 2014 12:14 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -News - Gadgets and Tech - The IndependentIndeed that is correct. I am just talking about my own experience and howlearning Braille for me did not assist me well in Capitalisation, punctuation and spelling. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Karl Proud Sent: 22 May 2014 12:12 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent I would have thought that capitalisation and other punctuation would be easily taught using type and speech as well as if using braille? Karl On 22 May 2014, at 11:56 am, "Eleanor Martha Burke" <eleanormarthaburke@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Continuing the discussion Jackie, I learned Braille at school and still useit, however I did not learn capitalisation, other than that I was informed that one always puts a capital letter after a full stop. American Braille however, includes capitalisation and punctuation. It was only as an adultBraillist that I learned all the symbols that indicated punctuation such as underline, italic etc. As for spelling I am not good at spelling and I personally attribute this to Braille Grade ii but there you are! -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Brown Sent: 22 May 2014 11:32 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent Hi VinceNot sure how much we are wandering here, but I do think it is relevant toassistive technology. What concerns me about the reliance, if you like, on speech all the time forvisually impaired youngsters - especially those with no sight at all - isthat they are less likely to spell, punctuate and capitalise appropriately. You miss these things with speech unless you are patient enough to go through everything you listen to letter by letter. If these crucialelements are not taught to blind children in mainstream education becauseit is considered that Braille is unnecessary, I really believe the kids are missing out. Had my son been born with any eye condition, I would have taught him to readand write Braille myself, unquestionably. While I type more than Braillethese days, I am lucky enough to be able to swap just like that. Martin has acquired sight loss due to RP, but he taught himself to read andwrite grade two Braille a few years ago in case he ever needed it. Whilehereads with his fingers quite slowly, he has a great memory for everythinghe taught himself.I just can't see Braille dying out in the immediate future, certainly notwhile I am alive with any luck! (smile). Kind regards, Jackie Brown Twitter: @thebrownsplace Skype: Thejackmate -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vincent Thacker Sent: 21 May 2014 23:35 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent Jackie,I didn't achieve registration as blind until I was about 54, by which timeIhad too much else going on to fit learning Braile in as well. Sorry to saythat I've taken the line of least resistance and use a screen reader for almost everything. I did learn a bit of Braille at my local blind society in the end, but didn't get any further than "a sad lad" and "dad will yell at you" and such things. Then I had to stop because of other commitments. But I agree that for children, it's surely an advantage to know Braille,even just as a quality of life measure. How else are the kids going to getany private reading, or private writing, for that matter? Great though audio books are, they are not the same as reading a book in print. It's toopassive somehow to my mind. I'm sure reading Braille would come closer tothe printed word. Just my tuppence worth, as someone who knows nothing but won't shut up. Vince. ======================================== Message Received: May 21 2014, 05:02 PM From: "Jackie Brown" To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent Hi Clive Yes, same goes for me. And I do believe children born blind should still be strongly encouraged to read and write good Braille wherever this is possible. Kind regards, Jackie Brown Twitter: @thebrownsplace Skype: Thejackmate -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 21 May 2014 16:28 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent Hello, I read less and listen more. This is partly because there is much more literature accessible to us now that listening to audio books has become a sighted thing. However, one reason I don't have a personal problem with this change in my reading habits is that I already know how to communicate in writing...I hope! However, I'd hate to have been born blind and never had the chance to read and write independently. Best, Clive Clive Lever Diversity and Equality Officer Kent County Council Office: 01622 221163 Email: clive.lever@xxxxxxxxxxx Kent County Council Room G37 Sessions House Maidstone, Kent. ME14 1XQ -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gordon Keen Sent: 21 May 2014 16:21 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent Hi Yes that was my take on the article as well, however I decided to post the article as I felt that some might want to visit the exhibition with a view to expressing their opinion once they had actually attended. Regards G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. . On 21 May 2014, at 15:44, Iain Lackie wrote: > I wasn't aware that the journalist was dismissing braille. If anything, the professor was concerned that blind people were being denied access to braille due to the rise of the use of other digital sources of information. I think it unfair to blame the journalist for expressing the fears of someone else. If braille is not taught, of course it will die out. I have to say that even as a braille user, I read much less braille than I used to. 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