[access-uk] Re: DAISY FORMAT AND MP3'S USED IN OVERDRIVE
- From: "Long, Alison" <Alison.Long@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:04:56 +0000
Hi Steve
We have explored various options for delivering a downloadable Daisy over the
past few years, and haven't found an option that is sustainable/affordable
(including the PTX1 development). I may be wrong, but I think the European
countries that have implemented Online Daisy pretty much all have the luxury of
government funding. Sadly our funding landscape is very different.
We are listening, and we will continue to explore new ways to deliver content
to customers.
Regards
Alison
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Steve Nutt
Sent: 02 February 2015 17:19
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: DAISY FORMAT AND MP3'S USED IN OVERDRIVE
Hi Alison,
Clarified yes, but I don't feel reassured. I feel there is an inequality
issue going on here. We should be able to download books in Daisy Audio or
MP3. So I personally don't feel that Overdrive was the right choice. I
would like to have got away from the postal system and be able to download a
Daisy book on demand, not just MP3. So I feel somewhat disappointed.
Also, you could have taken advantage of Online Daisy delivery to devices
such as the Victor Reader Stream, as other European countries have done. So
I still feel this is badly managed.
All the best
Steve
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Long, Alison
Sent: 02 February 2015 16:09
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: DAISY FORMAT AND MP3'S USED IN OVERDRIVE
Hi,
I just wanted to respond on this topic and set the record straight as it
were. We have no plans to phase out DAISY.
We still believe Daisy offers the very best navigation and continue to
record all our Talking Books in Daisy format. At the same time, we are
content producers and some customers (the minority) have told us that they
want titles which don't have Daisy formatting and which can play on simple
cheap USB players like the Sovereign and via digital download. So in
response we have introduced USB and digital download options (via RNIB
Overdrive).
Overdrive is a mainstream library platform and does not support Daisy
formatting. Overdrive isn't for readers who want full Daisy functionality.
RNIB titles on Overdrive have a fixed skip point of every 3 minutes. Many
customers don't use this preferring to use bookmarking.
RNIB titles on USB are issued with Daisy formatting. Whether this is
available to the reader or not depends on their player. The cheaper players
cannot access Daisy formatting on USB. The more expensive players with USB
can.
I hope I've reassured you and clarified RNIB's position.
Regards
Alison
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Shaun O'Connor
Sent: 02 February 2015 01:12
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: DAISY FORMAT AND MP3'S USED IN OVERDRIVE
Usually when one hears the line "(product name here) will be around for the
foreseeable future" it s just doublespeak for telling people to prepare for
the product to be phased out over time,( usually the time-scale for phasing
out has been well planned in advance but the details have not been
published" until the appropriate time").
A good indicator of a failing project or product is if there is an
associated forum or blog, look to see when the most recent posting was in
the announcements or news portion of the forum or blog. If there has ben no
activity for a period of about three to six months, then you can in most
cases kiss that particular project or product goodbye.
However having said that, there is always the possibility that said product,
project or service is being handed over to a third party to be serviced by
them instead or even just left for the user community to use with no
official support from the original developers.
On 01/02/2015 23:55, Carol.Pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Yes, I completely concur with what you say here. I couldn't do
without my markup for Daisy Bible either.
What they're saying is that you're not being forced to go that route
and can stay with Daisy if you wish, but I too think there's possibly a
hidden agenda to phase out Daisy. A number of those who loaned players now
no longer have them as they were all suffering overwork or whatever, and I
know this has meant that a particular book club has dwindled rapidly as they
no longer have the players. However, I maintain they're cheap enough and
there are second-hand models around and Daisy surely is well worth fighting
to keep.
Therefore, I don't mind considering taking books from OverDrive, but
I'd never want to do this and suggest by doing so that I don't mind if Daisy
is gradually phased out, because I do!
I think that's just made up my mind that, though I was seriously
thinking of trying it, I'm now not going to and will ask for Daisy books
instead.
Incidentally, I've heard the phrase used "Daisy will be around for
the foreseeable future ..." and what does that mean!
Carol P
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From: Steve Nutt <mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 6:10 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: DAISY FORMAT AND MP3'S USED IN
OVERDRIVE
Hi Carol,
It really depends on the type of book you are reading. For
example, I have the Daisy version of the NIV Bible from Torch. You can move
as little as a verse, by moving by phrase. No way can you do that in any
Overdrive book, because there is no markup. This is why I maintain that we
are not getting an equal service to theCD users, who get full Daisy markup.
Can you imagine if there was a Bible on Overdrive and you could only move by
an arbitrary number of minutes? Wouldn't make for much in the way of
interesting navigation, would it? I get the feeling that RNIB would like to
abandon Daisy by taking this action, but can't be sure.
All the best
Steve
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carol.Pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 30 January 2015 22:02
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Subject: [access-uk] DAISY FORMAT AND MP3'S USED IN
OVERDRIVE
Hi all,
I'm seeking to get a better understanding of what actually
works and what doesn't. I really love Daisy and am told that, even in
Overdrive, certain things, such as headers, will work. I understand also
that RNIB have markers every three minutes in their books in this library.
Can anyone who is well used to the ease and luxury of Daisy
please tell me any more about the restrictions OverDrive presents when these
books are transferred to the Victor Stream.
Thanks for any input on this one.
Carol P
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