[access-uk] Re: Changes in Braille
- From: Ari Damoulakis <aridamoulakis@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 18:17:43 +0200
It was just forced on us in SA and our magazines and stuff, I really
hate it. Especially math.
On 3/27/15, Jackie Brown <jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I'm not opposed to capitalisation, I think it is important for Braille
> readers to identify the differences in written language. I will be
> interested to read some of these changes in literature when they come into
> effect. I guess whether I like it or not it's happening anyway! (smile)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jackie Brown
> Emails: thebrownsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx
> jackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Skype: thejackmate
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 27 March 2015 13:30
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Changes in Braille
>
> Hi Derek,
>
> I feel the answer to point two is that it'll be easier to share books
> across
> borders. It'll be a good thing in the long term if it means that more
> books,
> or files for producing them, can be shared more widely and read more easily
> throughout the English-speaking world.
>
> As to point three, if you read capitalisation you'll more likely be able to
> write it properly, and so your written communications will be more
> presentable in what is, after all, a sighted world. The problem is that
> only
> 64 symbols to play with, you end up with a complicated system of dot sixes
> in different places to imply that a whole passage is capitalised, or a
> whole
> passage has initial caps, or a word is entirely capitalised, or a word has
> it's first letter written in upper case. This is what I meant by the risk
> of
> letters drowning in a sea of additional braille symbols. That's why I wrote
> all that random jibberish around the word 'Best', in my previous message. I
> won't do it again.
>
> Best,
> Clive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> David Griffith
> Sent: 27 March 2015 13:11
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Changes in Braille
>
> I have taken the liberty of changing the subject line as the discussion
> below whilst important now has little to do with RNIB Branding.
>
> David Griffith
>
> On 27/03/2015 12:49, Derek Hornby wrote:
>> Hi Dave
>> The problem I have with the Braille changes are:
>>
>> 1. The changes were not put to the vote.
>> So change was forced on us, or imposed on us.
>>
>> 2. Just because one side of the world does something doesn't mean the
>> whole world must do same. So I do not see why each country
>> can not make it's own rules abot braille, given that
>> each country makes its own rules about terminology.
>>
>> 3. Braille, is not print, so I fail to understand why we need to
>> show uppercase in braille.
>> And why do we need to show boldface in braille!
>>
>> 4. RNIB has akready started cut backs in braille production for
>> example New Beacon (NB) is now only online, same is true for
>> Insight.
>>
>> Regards, Derek
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Dave Sheridan
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 12:14 PM
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Off-topic - RNIB Branding
>>
>> Whilst I agree fundamentally with the issue of terminology the changes
>> being made to Braille and the rules that come with this are a
>> different matter and I have to disagree with you Jackie and Derek on
>> this. On the terminology matter, with sight loss covers much more
>> people than those who need the services of RNIB from my perspective.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 27 Mar 2015, at 11:35, Jackie Brown <jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Derek
>>>
>>> Couldn't agree with you more. Do people interfere with how
>> handwriting is
>>> done? I don't mind embracing change, but I personally don't think
>> it is
>>> necessary.
>>>
>>> Oh dear, never mind, perhaps I'm just getting too old and too
>> cynical to
>>> bother any more! (smile).
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Jackie Brown
>>> Emails: thebrownsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx
>>> jackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Website: www.thebrownsplace.info
>>> Twitter: @thebrownsplace
>>> Skype: thejackmate
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of
>>> Derek Hornby
>>> Sent: 27 March 2015 11:21
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Off-topic - RNIB Branding
>>>
>>> Hi Jac kie
>>> And now it's back to school to learn the new Braille rules!
>>> If not broken why do they try to fix it!
>>>
>>> Derek
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of
>>> Jackie Brown
>>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:50 AM
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Off-topic - RNIB Branding
>>>
>>> Hi Clive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is some rebranding going on as RNIB now has this RNIB Approved
>> feature
>>> as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jackie Brown
>>>
>>> Emails: thebrownsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:thebrownsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> Jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:Jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> jackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> Website: www.thebrownsplace.info <http://www.thebrownsplace.info>
>>>
>>> Twitter: @thebrownsplace
>>>
>>> Skype: thejackmate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of
>>> Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: 27 March 2015 10:34
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Off-topic - RNIB Branding
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not expecting a discussion here, but please can anyone tell me
>> off list
>>> when the strap-line on RNIB's web pages changed from:
>>>
>>> "Supporting Blind and Partially-Sighted People" to:
>>>
>>> "Supporting People with Sight Loss". The supplementary question is:
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Clive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Clive Lever
>>>
>>> Diversity and Equality Officer
>>>
>>> Kent County Council
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Office: 03000 416388
>>>
>>> Email: clive.lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kent County Council
>>>
>>> Room G37
>>>
>>> Sessions House
>>>
>>> Maidstone, Kent.
>>>
>>> ME14 1XQ
>>>
>>>
>>>
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