No. I'm talking about the physical power button on the system. The one you would normally use to switch on the system from cold, so to speak. As has already been pointed out, it's not a good idea to power off this way, other than in an emergency. However, when needs must...... George. From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke Sent: 16 January 2009 09:32 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Can't shut down! Can I get this right George, are you saying that left Windows key and M actually power off the PC and if yes are you talking about Windows XP or Vista? Eleanor ----- Original Message ----- From: George Bell <mailto:george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:50 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Can't shut down! Can't be 100% sure, but on most systems, be they desktop or laptop, or even netbook, you have to hold down the power on key for 5 - 10 seconds before it will power off. Just keep your finger on it until it dies. If it has not powered off after 5 minutes, put your finger in your ear, and go to bed. (Smile!) George. ________________________________ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ANDY COLLINS Sent: 15 January 2009 23:58 To: Access-UK Subject: [access-uk] Can't shut down! Hi all - This use to happen on my desk top, and I never did get a solution for it, but it is now happening on my netbook; after using the machine for a little while, something goes wrong, and key strokes stop working, the most obvious being the Windows key, when I press it, instead of geting the start menu, absolutely nothing happens! If I press the Win key and M for the desk top, nothing happens, and eventually, no matter which key I press, I get a dunk sound, and can only use the power button to shut down. Does anybody know of a way round this, so I don't have to use the power button to force a shut down? Thanks - Andy ________________________________ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1111 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message