[access-uk] Re: COUNCIL POLICY TO WAIVE SIGNATURE WHEN VOTING BY POST
- From: "Kevin Lloyd" <kevin.lloyd3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:07:04 -0000
Hi Barry.
The only way to fix the votes would be to extract all mailings from the
thousands being sent out by trawling down a database of voters with a
waiver. Extracting such mailings manually like this would be a hell of a
task and that's if you've got access to the printing house that's producing
and mailing the forms in the first place.
You have to trust to a degree that controls are in place to limit access to
the waiver database and ensure the outgoing forms are not processed anywhere
where there is access to that information.
If you were uncomfortable with this then I'd suggest you wouldn't want a
postal vote as there's a far greater risk that your vote will be tossed in
the bin because your signature was different to that recorded.
Regards.
Kevin
E-mail: kevin.lloyd3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hill" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:28 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: COUNCIL POLICY TO WAIVE SIGNATURE WHEN VOTING BY
POST
> Perhaps the risk is in the fact that there is a waver. It has been known
> that at least two local councillors, one in Bradford and one in Birmingham
> if my memory serves me right, have rigged their vote by claiming and using
> votes of people that have not voted, either by choice or when their postal
> voting paper has been stolen. How much easier would this be if a
> signatures
> isn't required?
>
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <kevin.lloyd3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:38 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: COUNCIL POLICY TO WAIVE SIGNATURE WHEN VOTING BY
> POST
>
>
> I've also taken the waiver option. Seems to me that there's really no
> vulnerability there at all. When you vote, you will mark the candidate
> that
> you wish to vote for and send back the form. So, what's the worst that
> can
> happen? Someone is going to sign their name or fictitious name and
> therefore make the vote unsound and not counted? The vote can be spoiled
> in
> any number of ways if there's a lack of control in the processing.
>
> By not taking the waiver you are actually more vulnerable in that your
> signature will be compared to that which is kept on file and your vote not
> counted.
>
> I was told by the council that they have powers to check a waiver to
> ensure
> the person has been registered as blind. There are going to be many areas
> of public service that have access to the same information so if you were
> worried about being identified and singled out for unscrupulous conmen,
> that
> could happen anyway and this isn't really a significant increase to that
> risk in my opinion.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kevin
> E-mail: kevin.lloyd3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Beasley" <peter@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:17 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: COUNCIL POLICY TO WAIVE SIGNATURE WHEN VOTING BY
> POST
>
>
>>I can sign my name, although I am sure that my signiture is different each
>> time I sign. I have therefore opted therefore for the waver.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Carol Pearson" <carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "Access UK Mailing List" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:23 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] COUNCIL POLICY TO WAIVE SIGNATURE WHEN VOTING BY
>> POST
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We've recently completed forms, together with our signatures, as our
>> Council
>> wished to introduce new regulations regarding postal voting. They state
>> that they wished to know if our signature differed each time and that, if
>> so, an exemption from signing may be in order.
>>
>> After somewhat of an uphill route (with all the running on our part), we
>> have established that they have looked at our signatures and decided to
>> send
>> us Waiver Forms.
>>
>> I am really just seeking views of others on list as to whether you feel
>> it's
>> best to have your own signature (which friends are sure cannot be
>> reproduced) or to have such a "waiver" so that no signature is required.
>>
>> I rather feel, after all, that if banks accept our signatures and don't
>> make
>> a fuss, the Council should do likewise.
>>
>> Any comments are welcome - on or off list.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Carol
>> carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
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