Sorry folks, hadn't realised this had come to the list. Still, I suppose it saves me sending out individual copies. But apologies to those for whom it had no interest. Cheers now. Ian -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian Macrae Sent: 21 October 2005 13:26 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN FOLLOW0UP Here you go Carol. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson Sent: 21 October 2005 13:23 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN FOLLOW0UP Ian, I think the key lies at the end of what they say . . . or in associated material"! I'd be grateful if you could send out those guidelines, please. -- Carol carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian Macrae Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 1:18 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] CHILDREN OF BESLAN FOLLOW0UP A few weeks ago, a number of listers complained both to the Beeb and on list about untranslated foreign language contributions to this BBC2 programme. Since then I've spent some time trying to establish the exact policy position with regard to this practise. As you'll see from the quotation below, the guidelines leave themselves open to interpretation and would appear to allow for precisely the sort of defence offered by programme makers in the most recent instances. I'd suggest that if people take issue with the guidelines they do so by writing to Mark Byford, Deputy Director General, BBC Media Centre, Media village, London W12 7TQ. The full guidelines are available for viewing on the BBC Website and a search on Guidelines for visually impaired viewers should get you there. Alternatively, if anyone would like a copy, I'll happily send them out. In the meantime what they say on this issue is: 4. FOREIGN LANGUAGE CONTRIBUTIONS If foreign language contributions are subtitled, but not audibly translated, they become inaccessible to people with a visual impairment. People with dyslexia can also find it difficult to read subtitles. Therefore, foreign language contributions should normally be translated with a voice in the main programme language in all new BBC programmes. However there may be exceptional occasions where it is necessary editorially for the voice to remain unchanged. They may arise where, for example, it is important to understand the emotion of a speaker giving personal testimony. In such cases the contribution may be subtitled. However, we should always then consider whether the essence of information in the contribution can be conveyed verbally elsewhere in the programme, or in associated material. http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 19/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 19/10/2005 http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.