[access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM 30/08/2005
- From: "Angel" <angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 01:26:14 -0400
They showed that nazi documentary over here in America and I was
disappointed as well. I remember I waited for this documentary from china
to be shown for a whole week only to find the subtitles were written and
there were no voice overs. The whole damn thing was in Chinese. I was so
disappointed I went to a friends and later on that week when it was run
again I sort of forced her to read the whole thing to me just so I could
watch it. I think it is terrible. What they usually do is to get you all
hot to listen to a segment and thin have the segment played in the foreign
language. I hope you do resolve it as you do have a lot of very good
documentaries on the bbc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Macrae" <ian.macrae@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:34 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
30/08/2005
> Hi all,
>
> Two things to say first. I have no responsibility either for the
> production of the programme in question nor for BBC policy in the area
> of accessibility of TV shows. Second, At present I'm not responsible
> either for the production or content of In Touch. Having said that,
> I'll say what I know about the situation and will be writing privately
> to Carol to offer her advice on how to pursue a complaint. I've
> personally complained so hard and so often about this practise that I'm
> blue in the face.
>
> My understanding of the latest policy position with regard to sub titles
> versus voice over translation is as follows. Any TV shows on BBC ONE
> which contain foreign language content or contributions are required to
> have a simultaneous translation of that contribution in both voice over
> and sub titles. That's why if you watch, for example, Panorama, you
> ought to note all foreign contributions are translated in voice over.
> However, for some bizarre and unfathomable reason, the requirement for
> any such shows on BBC TWO is only that they provide translation in sub
> titles. That's why much of an important series like the Nazis, a warning
> From History remains inaccessible to visually impaired viewers. The
> only explanation I've been given for this differentiation is that the
> artistic or emotional agenda of shows made for TWO is more likely to be
> compromised by the appearance of voice-over. I've always said that this
> seemed to me entirely spurious.
>
> If you encounter and are annoyed or frustrated by this practise of not
> translating, I'd suggest a couple of courses of action.
>
> 1. contact BBC Information as Carol did and make it plain that you want
> to make a formal complaint about this and expect a formal response from
> the BBC. If you are dissatisfied with that response, there is a process
> of appeal by which your complaint can be escalated.
> 2. The programme listing information for the show in question in Radio
> times should carry the name of the producer. Alternatively you can ask
> BBC Info to find that out for you. Then write direct to the producer
> again making it plain that you're making a formal complaint and require
> a formal response. In that instance, you should also copy your
> complaint to Roley Keating, Controller of BBC TWO at Television Centre.
>
>
> Believe me I'm as pissed off as everyone else about this and wish I had
> a pound for every complaint I've made to individual producers. Actually
> I'd give up all that wealth just to get them to change the policy.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Ian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Barry
> Sent: 31 August 2005 05:55
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
> 30/08/2005
>
>
> Not giving a verbal translation does not only alienate the VI, it would
> also
> have put off many others. My parent's, who have no sight problems, are
> not
> fast readers so turned the TV over when they saw the sub-titled
> translations. I listened to a programme about Beslan on the World
> Service
> a couple of months ago. They were interviewing the teachers. The
> teacher
> started talking in Russian and, after a few seconds, an English
> translation
> was given over the top. If the BBC can do it on Radio, surely they can
> do
> it on TV too.
>
>
> Is *Points of view* still running on the BBC? It is obviously too late
> for
> this programme, but they need to sort this out for future viewing,
> particularly for something as emotive as Beslan.
>
>
>
> Barry H
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MARTIN WILSHER" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:10 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
> 30/08/2005
>
>
> Neither should you regret it carol. I'm 1000000000 percent behind you
> on this one.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carol Pearson" <carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:04 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
> 30/08/2005
>
>
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Well said! (Why did I fire this up again???) I have no regrets!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Carol
> > carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of MARTIN WILSHER
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:18 PM
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
> > 30/08/2005
> >
> >
> > HI Carol:
> >
> > It seems to me that this lack of audio description is symtomatic of a
> > general disregard for the needs of visually impaired people who watch
> > television. I spoke to sky about this not too long ago, and even
> > they, with their massive resources, seemed to put more into subtitling
>
> > for the deaf
> >
> > than AD for the blind. They even told me that there listings for
> > subtitled programmes, but none for AD programmes, and further more,
> > that there was an
> > easy way to turn on subtitles by pressing one or two buttons, wheras
> the
> > AD
> > was almost impossible for a blind person to switch on or off. I know
> > this
> > is the bbc we are talking about here, and I think it is deplorable
> there
> > was
> > no AD or verbal translation. thumbs down for the bbc.
> > From: "Carol Pearson" <carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: "'Ian Macrae'" <ian.macrae@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:21 PM
> > Subject: [access-uk] CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
> > 30/08/2005
> >
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> We have just been very saddened and disgusted to discover that the
> >> documentary currently showing on BBC 2, "Children of Beslan", is
> >> obviously in their native language (Russian) and there is no audio
> >> description or verbal translation. On calling the BBC Information
> >> and
> >
> >> Complaints line I was informed that there is a text translation on
> >> the
> >
> >> screen but of course, that is no good to us!
> >>
> >> I was particularly angry that, as this was a very sad and moving
> >> event
> >
> >> last year, we have been unable to follow up the children's progress.
> >>
> >> Ian, I do hope you're reading this! I feel very strongly that the
> >> BBC
> >
> >> have let us down again.
> >>
> >> When I called, I asked for a transcript of the programme, or at least
>
> >> the verbal translation which was given. Are we likely to receive
> >> this?
> >>
> >> Over to "In Touch"!
> >>
> >> Any other comments anyone?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Carol
> >> carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
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