My husband still drinks a pint of beer and I still have about an inch of
brandy with my coke!
Alison
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Norman Waddington
Sent: 25 July 2015 20:13
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Decimalisation
Hi Alison,
I still have a dram if I have a Whisky occasionally! Smile! Would rather
have a mug of tea though.
Norman.
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
CJ &AA MAY
Sent: 25 July 2015 19:45
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Bulk] [access-uk] Re: Decimalisation
And I still talk in inches, yards and miles and pounds and ounces!
I daresay I will get used to decimalisation eventually - smile!
Alison
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Richard Godfrey-McKay
Sent: 25 July 2015 09:33
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Decimalisation
In case anyone cares, decimilisation actually occurred on 15th Feb 71.
Richard
Richard Godfrey-McKay
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Mike Ray
Sent: 24 July 2015 23:22
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Decimilisation
Before the 1st of January 1971, or whatever date it was that decimal coinage
was introduced, I was just coming up for six years old.
There was a lot of opposition to it of course with older folks moaning about
it for years afterwards.
But, I distinctly remember that before the change, I had to get my father to
count my pocket money for me. There were so many names to remember;
shilling, tanner, sixpence, thru'penny bit, half-a-crown etc.
Immediately after the change, when my weekly pocket money changed from
half-a-crown to 12.5 new pence, I could immediately count it myself.
I have a similar experience with UEB. I am a learner, started about six
years ago and I'm by no means a total beginner but by no means an expert,
and I find UEB easier.
Bottom line, folks don't like change. To paraphrase a quote everyone will
recognise; 'you can please some of the people all of the time, and all of
the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all the
time'.
Change happens for good reasons. Language is dynamic. The only language I
know that isn't is Morse.
Mike
On 24/07/2015 23:12, Dave Sheridan wrote:
Hi Derekwhether the user finds it easier or not. The reality is that braille has
Yes the reasons do matter in the same way you suggest it should depend
of
wrote:
Dave
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On 24 Jul 2015, at 19:52, Derek Hornby
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HI Dave
You said
"Firstly Peter, dismissing the UEB code as rubbish without
considering the reasoning behind its implementation is rash and unfair"
Do the reasons really matter?
Surely what matters is whether the new code is, or is not,
easier for the average Braille reader.
As for the consultation I think the point is we never were given
the right to vote for or against change.
Even RNIB failed to let its members vote?
So I suggest the unfair issue is, the new system has been imposed on
us, whether we like it or not.
Regards, Derek
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Dave Sheridan
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:07 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
Hi Peter and all
Firstly Peter, dismissing the UEB code as rubbish without considering
the reasoning behind its implementation is rash and unfair. Regarding
consultation, all I can say is that as I was in receipt of one
braille publication at the time people were surveyed I received my
copy and was able to participate. I can only guess that those braille
readers receiving braille books from RNIBs library will also have
received the survey document. Add to this word of mouth from one
braille reader to another then I suspect opportunity to participate
in the survey was there for a significant number of braille users. I
am in full agreement with those who have expressed the unnecessary
use of elements of UEB where this is not needed and George is
absolutely correct that there needs to be clear guidance to
transcribers regarding the application of the code according to the
text required to be brailled. So rather than be critical of UEB
let's embrace it but work together so that it better serves the need
of the recipients by letting transcribers know about elements of the
braille copy that isn't fit for purpose.
All the best from Dave
Sent from my iPhone
decision to change to this rubbish Braille code? I don't read muchOn 24 Jul 2015, at 11:53, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
I wonder exactly how many Braille readers were involved in the
braille these days apart from my bank statements, and , fortunately,
they are still produced in standard english Braille.
decide when they give the full works, such as the braille simbols for
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Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 11:05 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
Hello all,
Though I'm not wholly against the UEB, I do think publishers need to
bold, italics, underline, and when this would serve no other purpose
than to slow the reader down. If I'm studying, and need to know how
to present my written work, I would want the whole code, but why do I
need to be bothered with the splurge of dots around every other word
when I'm reading a biography of my favourite singer or cricketer? I
also wonder how easy it is for people to get their heads round
excessively dotty Braille when, say, the sensitivity in their fingers
is limited because of diabetes?
free-form text slots, but surveys often don't include those.
These are the sort of things one sometimes wishes one could say in
Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Best,
Clive
Best,
Clive
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Sent: 24 July 2015 10:17high-handed way in which they have been introduced but I'm not going
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
I don't like the changes and feel quite annoyed about the
to take part in this petition because I feel it is too late. I do in
actual fact see the reason behind many of the changes and although I
might not like them, I do accept that in time I will get used to them
but I think a more relevant petition might be to braille publishers
for them to use common sense in that I don't want my publications
full of italics, boldfacing and other symbols which just slow down my
reading speed.
I also would prefer my material non-capitalised but I feel thispetition is just spitting in the wind - the decision has been made
and I fear we will just have to learn to live with it.
AlisonBehalf Of Tony Sweeney
my way
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Sent: 24 July 2015 10:08projects they are trying to develop, or for thesis particularly for
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
It's a bit like students and the like looking for feedback on IT
the blind in mind and you never never hear any outcome afterwards.
sender carol.pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx for DMARC) wrote:
We always like to assist but boy there is a limit to one's patience!
On 24/07/2015 10:00, Carol.Pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Redacted
getDerek,
Thanks for this, but we now refuse any petitions because then you
ourbombarded with so many messages afterwards. It really got so
sickening and took me some while on occasions to fill them in.
It's a shame really, but there you are, we all have to live within
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Carol P
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To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 8:26 PM
Subject: [access-uk] braille changes petition
I thought Braille readers may be interested to take look here:
http://chn.ge/1GD0QEv
It's a petition.
"Rnib: Offer your publications in SEB as well as UEB either
indefinitely or for a grace period.
Offer free UEB conversion courses to long-term Braillists Provide
better learning resources to support conversion from SEB to UEB"
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