Here is the clause in question:
1.Audible Content License. When you purchase Audible Content, Audible grants
you a limited, revocable, non-exclusive, non-transferable license to
download or stream such Audible Content to your computer and/or other
device(s) solely for your personal, non-commercial use. You agree to not
otherwise copy, reproduce, distribute or use the Audible Content other than
as expressly set forth herein. You will not sell, transfer, lease, modify,
distribute or publicly perform the Audible Content in any manner and you
will not exploit it commercially. You agree to not modify, reverse engineer,
decompile or disassemble the Audible Content, or otherwise tamper with the
Audible Content or create any derivative works therefrom.
Regards.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Portal
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:54 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Bulk] [access-uk] R: Re: DRM is Evil! an observation
Steve, taking a copy for personal use is *not* illegal. Indeed, when I last
looked at the Audible terms and conditions they actually recommended that
you should take a copy.
Best wishes
Robert
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Per conto di
Steve Nutt
Inviato: giovedì 18 febbraio 2016 16:35
A: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Oggetto: [access-uk] Re: DRM is Evil! an observation
Hi Henry,
Yes they can. You have to play them using Audible Manager and if they
close your account, they simply worn't work any more. If you are
playing them in any other way, you are breaking their DRM which is
technically illegal.
All the best
Steve
On 16/02/2016 19:38, Henry Miller wrote:
Hi Steve
When I download books from Audible onto my laptop prior to transferring them to an Sd card, a copy of the books are stored within a folder on my laptop. Audible cannot prevent my access to these books so the question is who owns these books?
best wishes
Henry
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 16 February 2016 17:00
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: DRM is Evil! an observation
Hi Ibrahim,
The problem here though is that with Audible, you don't actually own the
book ever. You only own the licence to read it. It's a bit like a
library really. So if for example, Audible went under, you'd have no
recourse either, so I think you are on shaky ground to be honest.
All the best
Steve
On 16/02/2016 01:16, Ibrahim Gucukoglu wrote:
Hi James.
I am beginning to consider that as an option, I'm looking at all my
options right now. I can accept that Amazon don't want to do business
with me which is their perfect right, however when you've invested
thousands of pounds in content, you naturally expect that content to
be accessible to you. It's like filling up your house with valuable
works of art, furniture and other pieces only to have Amazon take the
keys from you, locking you out of your home and denying you access to
the content you rightfully own. It's only when it hits you do you
realise what a catastrophe it is. Whenever you write to Amazon's
account specialists, you get pro former emails, obviously scripted
with no recourse. You don't get a name, the agent who sends out the
email doesn't even introduce themselves, it's shocking impersonal
dehumanising service.
Anyway, I need to rest this sleepy head of mine. Take care.
-----Original Message----- From: James English
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 1:02 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: DRM is Evil! an observation
Hello,
You should certainly pursue legal action against Amazon. This is a
breech of the consumer rights act, and is fundamentally against the
law.
Sincerely,
-James English
(Practising lawyer)
On 2/16/16, Ibrahim Gucukoglu <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
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This little piece was written about me by my brother, it discusses the
consequences of digital lockouts. I was unfortunately enough to loose
access to my Amazon account last week, and the likelihood is that I
will not
be able to have it reopened. This wouldn’t be a serious issue if it
weren’t
for the enormous audible library I thought I owned:
Amazon have closed my brother's account because he was returning too
many
articles to them. He'd apparently crossed some sacred threshold or
other--presumably one calculated to be the least profitable to
Amazon--with
the result that he can no longer log in to his account.
And you'll never guess what that means for his very handsome
collection of
Audible books.
Go on, take a guess. You'll probably get it first time ...
The DRM on Audible content requires that any device obtain a key from
Amazon, after logging in to an account. Any device already possessing
that
key can of course continue to download and play any content, but without
logging in, a new device cannot obtain the key. Amazon have made it very
clear to my brother that they have no intention of allowing him further
access to his account. So Amazon has put an effective end-of-life
date on
all of my brother's Audible "Purchases"; as soon as he resets the
devices,
sells and replaces them, etc., his Audible collection will be no more.
I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that DRM is
thoroughly and fundamentally evil. It's wicked. It's corrupt. It's
iniquitous. And it's not about piracy at all, it's about control. You
don't
own the things you "buy" if the content is locked with a key you
don't have
and can't get. The true owner is simply parting you from your money
with the
vague promise of letting you use the key, which they endeavour to
keep you
from discovering, lest you use it in ways not approved by the owner--for
instance by unlocking your digital content permanently and thus freeing
yourself from the owner's grip--but which they will make available to
you
while using software that they trust to protect their, and not your,
interests. And of course, the owner always has the option of not
letting you
use your key at all, by telling the server not to give it to the
software.
While your decryption key is in their hands, anything might happen to
your
content, at any time, even if the owner promises to the contrary.
This racket is only possible because we give these content
distributors the
money to enable it--to write the software that keeps the keys safe from
discovery while in your hands, to write laws that prohibit people from
breaking the software to access the content without use of that
software,
and to criminalise perfectly legitimate uses of content that are
inconvenient for the bottom line, but that are recognised by
copyright and
common sense as being reasonable and fair. I sincerely hope you take
something from this incident, as I surely do, with something like
this so
close to home happening, and I hope you'll be willing to think carefully
about whose business practices you'll be willing to support if you
have the
choice. I understand that we don't all have the choice to exercise
all the
time, and that it's easy to make up excuses and pray that it never
happens
to us. I'd say that this was particularly true for blind people and
those
with other reading challenges, because the selection of material is
already
very limited. Audible makes a fantastic, sometimes exclusive
collection of
audiobooks available.
But they, and any other DRM peddler, simply cannot be trusted. I have
made
it a habit never to value any protected content too highly, and I'm
gratified to see the truth in it, sad as I am for my brother's
plight. For
your own sake, wherever possible, you should make arrangements to
avoid DRM.
Try not to purchase anything you wouldn't keep from a DRM merchant. You
never know, it could be you this happens to, and you might be the next
person to own a handsome collection of strongly encrypted, utterly
useless
files that you have no hope of playing, and who will be out of pocket
for
the amount you "Bought" them for.
Hope this encourages some debate on the issue and those who use
Amazon, take
heed!
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