What makes you think those same people wouldn't be poor spellers if they have sight. I know sighted people who are atrocious spellers. That is just the way they are. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? > Hi Angle, > > I would have to disagree here. I know some blind people who are excellent > Braille readers, but very poor spellers. Take the word Knowledge as an > example. Learning Grade 2 Braille earlier discourages blind people to > learn > how to spell such words in my view, although I think Knowledge must be the > hardest contracted word that I know of. > > All the best > -- > Computer Room Services: > the long cane for blind computer users. > Telephone Low-call: 08452 606 277 > International: +44(0)1438 742286, > Fax: +44(0)1438 759589 > mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, > Email: mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > Angel > Sent: 29 April 2007 15:19 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? > > This isn't true. Most good spellers read a lot which is what makes them > good spellers. Also, I think, they care how words are spelled. When one > is > > in doubt as to the spelling of a word, he usually pictures how the word is > spelled in his mind as he has seen it written. We Braille readers picture > the words written in their contracted form. As we know what those > contractions mean we spell the words correctly. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul.bepey" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:39 AM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? > > >> Hi, >> Personally, I do not really like grade2 Braille as most of it is in >> contraction form which I feel doesn't help individuals to grasp basic >> skills, Spelling, etc. >> Thanks, Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf >> = >> Of >> Angel >> Sent: 29 April 2007 12:33 >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? >> >> >> We are talking apples and oranges here, as Louis Braille was French and = >> the=20 >> contractions commonly used in English Braille are accent marks in that=20 >> language. Everyone knows contractions make reading Braille much = >> speedier=20 >> and save space. I would be happy if there were even more of these and = >> we=20 >> used grade three as a matter of course. But that will never happen, = >> only in >> >> my dreams. >> ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:55 AM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? >> >> >>> Hi Christine, >>> >>> I am a proficient Braillist. I just don't like Grade two, because=20 >>> there >>> is >>> so much disagreement about it. Louis Braille never invented Grade = >> two, he >>> merely invented Braille. >>> >>> All the best >>> -- >>> Computer Room Services: >>> the long cane for blind computer users. >>> Telephone Low-call: 08452 606 277 >>> International: +44(0)1438 742286, >>> Fax: +44(0)1438 759589 >>> mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, >>> Email: mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On=20 >>> Behalf >>> Of >>> Christine Weetman >>> Sent: 28 April 2007 16:37 >>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? >>> >>> Hi Angel, No No No, Not dot five and c in My name, dot five and c for=20 >>> Christ, but not in Christmas either! lol Don't ask me why, I was just = >> >>> taught it that way, so I didn't question it. I am a Braille User and=20 >>> Proud of it so I don't accept what Steve said (below) braille was=20 >>> invented for the >>> benefit of us who Need to use it, so maybe He doesn't and is luckier = >> than >>> us, but I am Full of admiration for those who use braille Correctly = >> and >>> Don't shout about their ignorance! >>> >>> All the best, Christine W,.----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Angel" <Angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:27 PM >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? >>> >>> >>> I hadn't thought of that about the Christ sign, though if that word >>> appears >>> in another faith's religious context couldn't the sign be used? I = >> think >>> what I meant is it is not faith specific. >>> ----- Original Message -----=20 >>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:05 AM >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? >>> >>> >>>> Hi Angel, >>>> >>>> I don't think all of them encompass all faiths, for example Christ is = >> >>>> definitely Christian. For my part, I am glad they are gone. We are=20 >>>> the only country that used them in terms of Braille, so it didn't=20 >>>> make any sense. Mind you, I hate Grade 2 anyway, it is so ambiguous, = >> >>>> and gives people writing translation software a big headache. >>>> >>>> All the best >>>> -- >>>> Computer Room Services: >>>> the long cane for blind computer users. >>>> Telephone Low-call: 08452 606 277 >>>> International: +44(0)1438 742286, >>>> Fax: +44(0)1438 759589 >>>> mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, >>>> Email: mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On=20 >>>> Behalf Of Angel >>>> Sent: 28 April 2007 06:49 >>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? >>>> >>>> I always wondered whatever happened to those signs. I didn't know=20 >>>> they had been scrapped. As they encompass all faiths I don't think=20 >>>> they ought to have been. >>>> ----- Original Message -----=20 >>>> From: "Christine Weetman" <goatmum@xxxxxxx> >>>> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org> >>>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:42 AM >>>> Subject: [access-uk] Braille readers, did you know? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi all, I have just heard of some Important braille signs which I=20 >>>>> always used have been scrapped, What Is this world coming to? They=20 >>>>> are all religious signs we can't use, has this been done so as "Not=20 >>>>> to Offend" the >>>> >>>>> non-Christians? I doube for a mark of respect, what do you think?=20 >>>>> Did you >>>> >>>>> know and would you still use them in your personal writings? The=20 >>>>> nine religious contractions which should never have been scrapped >>>>> are: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Dot five C for Christ. >>>>> 2. F T H sign for faith. >>>>> 3. G L for glory. >>>>> 4. Dot five G for God. >>>>> 5. G R for grace. >>>>> 6. H L for holy. >>>>> 7. Dot five J for Jesus. >>>>> 8. S T H sign for saith. >>>>> 9. 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