[access-uk] Re: Braille Support - Re: Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
- From: Jackie Cairns <jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 07:22:07 +0000
Hi Eleanor
If you are in employment, then Access To Work is the route most individuals
take to stand any chance of being able to use the assistive technology
available to them. An employer will sometimes help meet the cost, but it
obviously depends on the circumstances and kit being sought.
Jackie Cairns
Braille Specialist
Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
Welton House North Wing
Summerhouse Road
Moulton Park
Northampton
NN3 6WD
Tel: 01604 798024
Mob: 07887 883815
www.sightandsound.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Eleanor Burke
Sent: 11 May 2010 19:27
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille Support - Re: Re: My experiences moving over
to Window Eyes
Jackie
I read with interest what you write and indeed empathy as there are many of us
who would benefit greatly personally from such Braille displays but wow at such
a high cost. For someone like yourself in employment (I am not in
employment) therefore totally ignorant on the fact, can you clarify for myself
and possibly others, what is the situation today with regard to obtaining such
costly equipment through employment channels. I do not refer to your own
personal situation and the fact that you have told us that soon you will be
moving to another part of the country but generally what the situation is in
meeting the cost of the equipment in employment. Just as older equipment can
become redundant due to new innervations, then surely one would not be obliged
not to move forward with the newly available expensive equipment.
Eleanor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:02 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille Support - Re: Re: My experiences moving over
to Window Eyes
> Hi Doris
>
> Could I just correct you in terms of FS Braille support. They do
> support Braille displays, especially their own Focus range. But they
> have now removed serial support in JAWS 11. Consequently, you either
> have to use an USB to parallel adaptor or not at all with older
> displays like mine. The Focus displays they sell are quite nice and
> rugged, but if you take like-for-like, I don't have just under six
> grand to buy the equivalent Focus 80 which is comparable to my 80 cell
> PowerBraille that still functions well.
>
> So, FS does support Braille, but they have chosen a road that I don't
> want to follow.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> J
>
>
> Jackie Cairns
> jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Doris and Chris
> Sent: 11 May 2010 17:55
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Braille Support - Re: Re: My experiences moving
> over to Window Eyes
>
> I am a speech user only and thus have no experience nor actual need
> for Braille support at least until now but many people I know do.
>
> I am appalled at FS's not supporting Braille devices.
>
> I have been wondering, though, is it possible to run brtty alongside
> jaws to give the Braille support while using jaws for speech?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Doris
>
>
> At 03:21 PM 5/11/2010 +0000, you wrote:
>>Hi Eleanor
>>
>>I bought my PowerBraille some years back secondhand. I appreciate
>>that things change, more sophisticated technology appears on the
>>market, and you move on from operating system to operating system or
>>version to version of a product. And perhaps FS decided to remove
>>serial support within JAWS 11 for reasons we aren't privy to.
>>Nevertheless, I am using Windows 7, need to run JAWS 11, and want my
>>PowerBraille to remain active. It can't be done, they aren't
>>interested in little me or the minority who use such displays, so
>>therein lies my choice. I can't afford six grand for a new Focus just
>>because it supports USB only, and there isn't anything wrong with my
>>PowerBraille apart from old age, and I know how that feels anyway, (big
>>smile).
>>
>>It's all about what suits the individual at the end of the day. I
>>have my reasons and bear no disrespect to anybody. I just have to do
>>what suits me and my budget.
>>
>>
>>Jackie Cairns
>>Braille Specialist
>>Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>>Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton
>>NN3 6WD
>>Tel: 01604 798024
>>Mob: 07887 883815
>>www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
>>Sent: 11 May 2010 15:39
>>To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
>>
>>Indeed Jackie. I think my PowerBraille cost eight thousand, yes eight
>>thousand pounds!!!!
>>
>>Eleanor
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:34 PM
>>Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
>>
>>
>> > Hi Eleanor
>> >
>> > Freedom Scientific have removed serial support from JAWS version 11.
>> > Up until then, I was able to do just as you describe by using an
>> > USB to serial converter on a Netbook or laptop. Unfortunately, FS
>> > have failed to deal with this problem in JAWS 11. They advise you
>> > to purchase an USB to parallel converter, but it doesn't work.
>> > And, without going into complications, their attempt at trying to
>> > give me a work-around screwed up previous versions of JAWS I need
>> > to run on my
> machine.
>> >
>> > So, in essence, USB to serial conversion works prior to JAWS 11 on
>> > a display such as PowerBraille, but not any more, and that's my big
>> > problem really. I like my PowerBraille display, it still functions
>> > well, and I'm not going to change it unless I either have the
>> > money, or choose to of my own doing.
>> >
>> > Jackie Cairns
>> > Braille Specialist
>> > Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>> > Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park
>> > Northampton
>> > NN3 6WD
>> > Tel: 01604 798024
>> > Mob: 07887 883815
>> > www.sightandsound.co.uk
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> > Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
>> > Sent: 11 May 2010 15:15
>> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
>> >
>> > Hi Jackie
>> > I appreciate I may be wrong, but did I not understand you to say
>> > some time back that a USB parallel cable would work with Power
>> > Braille
> and Jaws 10?
>> > For those interested Power Braille and Focus blue work with
>> > Supernova also.
>> >
>> > Eleanor
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:52 PM
>> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi Pele
>> >>
>> >> One of the things dearest to my heart, as many know, is Braille.
>> >> And because of the route FS have elected to take regarding the
>> >> digital signing of drivers - rightly or wrongly depending on your
>> >> point of view - I can no longer use my own PowerBraille display
>> >> if I want to work with JAWS 11.
>> >> Having just purchased a Windows 7 laptop, I obviously need to run
>> >> JAWS 11, and there is no way around the display issue because I am
>> >> not prepared, and certainly can't afford, to purchase something
>> >> that suits FS. I know from what I've seen and heard that
>> >> Window-Eyes supports Braille very well, and this is just one of
>> >> many incentives for me to move over. I don't think I'll ever
>> >> uninstall JAWS from my PC because it is something I will use
>> >> having forked out for it. But I'm prepared to give Window-Eyes a
>> >> good try, particularly with Braille in mind. As soon as I
>> >> downloaded the demo and chose a PowerBraille display, it went first go.
>> >>
>> >> Time will tell.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jackie Cairns
>> >> Braille Specialist
>> >> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound
>> >> Technology Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton
>> >> Park Northampton
>> >> NN3 6WD
>> >> Tel: 01604 798024
>> >> Mob: 07887 883815
>> >> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> >> Behalf Of Pele West
>> >> Sent: 11 May 2010 14:37
>> >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
>> >>
>> >> Hi Jackie and Everyone
>> >>
>> >> I am also someone who has gone over completely to Window-Eyes. I
>> >> used JAWS when I was at work as it had better support for MS
>> >> Office at that time but, as my husband preferred Window-Eyes,
>> >> always used it
> at home.
>> >> Now I am no longer at work I find Window-Eyes works well with the
>> >> programs I run.
>> >>
>> >> I have a few issues with Windows 7, but I think they are related
>> >> to the operating system rather than the screen reader.
>> >>
>> >> Good luck, Jackie.
>> >>
>> >> Pele
>> >>
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