Yes well, tristram, that's the way I tend to see it now! The phone line is increasingly simply a conduit for the broadband connection, with phone calls an added extra for me. Sometimes I think I would like to rationalise on using my mobile for phone calls and cut out the landline phone altogether, but cost of calls wise, that isn't economic at the moment. I say roll on a flat rate connection with a lot of call time included which is meant for data comms as much, if not more than telephony. Ray Personal emails: Email me at mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tristram Llewellyn" <tris-l@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:34 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: BROADBAND ENQUIRY | Ray wrote: | | "That said, when we are all adicted to watching TV any time we like up to a | week or so after transmission, I wonder if 2Mbs will still be enough?" | | It won't, 8mb is pushing the limits of ADSL down analogue copper wire (at | street level). For that kind of stuff you are probably going to be looking | at 15mb for starters, that's probably going to need optical fiber up to your | house/flat. That's not very, very far away but a few years yet. I have | read a fair amount of guff on this in recent past. Telcoms are likely to | mvoe to a situation of providing all of us data packages with conventional | telephone voice services thrown in as afterthough. In other words the | priorities will be the other way around with data being most valuable | traffic to them rather than voice calls as it is in the domestic market | today. | | Regards. | | Tristram Llewellyn | Sight and Sound Technology | Technical Support | www.sightandsound.co.uk | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:25 PM | Subject: [access-uk] Re: BROADBAND ENQUIRY | | | I tend to think that Tristram is right in saying 2Mbs is plenty for the vast | majority of us. That said, when we are all adicted to watching TV any time | we like up to a week or so after transmission, I wonder if 2Mbs will still | be enough? | | Anyway, I had a leaflet through the door about Bulldog Communications and | they appear to be very agressively cmpetitive. Take a look at: | | http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/provider.asp?ProviderID=4&kt=105 | | Just for starters. Wonder if anyone uses them or has investigated further. | Ray | | Personal emails: Email me at | mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Tristram Llewellyn" | || Plusnet major on consistency and reliability I think more than raw speed. || You'll have to bear in mind 2mb rollout has only recently got started and || not everywhere has that at the moment and sometimes not even broadband. | The || availability of 4 and 8mb will be limited somewhat by geographical | proximity || or lack of it to an exchange. Therefore a number of providers have sat on || the sidelines to see how the customer experiences go with those provders || that do, for example Bulldog do this in the South, but some customers have || had major gaps in service. Take a look at somewhere like || www.theregister.co.uk for more info. || || Personally for most of what you come accross today 2mb is fast enough for || any one person. || || Regards. || || Tristram Llewellyn || Sight and Sound Technology || Technical Support || www.sightandsound.co.uk || || ----- Original Message ----- || From: "Amro Bilal" <amro_bilal@xxxxxxx> || To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> || Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:03 PM || Subject: [access-uk] Re: BROADBAND ENQUIRY || || || BROADBAND ENQUIRYVirgin.net is good as well. I've been with them for | around || two years and haven't had any problems and there help line is good too. || Though I might migrate to PlussNet when they start offering 4/8MB speed || broadband if Virgin doesn't offer a matching service. || || Cheers, || || AmroB || ----- Original Message ----- || From: Ian Macrae || To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx || Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:33 AM || Subject: [access-uk] BROADBAND ENQUIRY || || || Hi all, || || Having put up with their terrible customer service and lack of | proactivity || for too long we're at last in the process of ditching NTL at home. || Consequently we're looking at alternative broadband providers and I | wondered || whether there were any which people would highly recommend from a VI point || of view? Alternatively, are there any which should be avoided at all | costs? || I remember, for example, that AOL was set to be not very good in terms of || usability/accessibility. || || Cheers now. || || Ian || || || http://www.bbc.co.uk/ || || | | ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- | ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] | ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: | ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | ** and in the Subject line type | ** unsubscribe | ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the | ** immediately-following link:- | ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] | ** or send a message, to | ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq | | | ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- | ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] | ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: | ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | ** and in the Subject line type | ** unsubscribe | ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the | ** immediately-following link:- | ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] | ** or send a message, to | ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq | | ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq