Hi,
That's interesting. You keep referring to Grade to, as in T O, rather than
T W O. So all those spelling lessons didn't do you any good with the
grammar side of it <Big Smile>.
All the best
Steve
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Kelsey Trevett
Sent: 10 June 2014 22:47
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING
Hi,
I think that too many people believe that not reading grade 2 Braille is a
crime in itself. It is so competitive: "I can read grade to, you can't". I
think that both grades have a place in society but I do agree that
uncontracted Braille make so much more sense logically. Spelling is
obviously a skill that all blind people must have, just as cited people do.
I understand that grade to braille leaves many blind people feeling that
they don't need to know how to spell when in fact, they really do. When I
was taught grade 2, I was made to learn to spell every word before I was
allowed to use it. Four example, I couldn't use the contraction for
knowledge until I knew how to spell it. This helped me immensely, and is why
I can spell reasonably well today. Many blind people use laptops with screen
readers, which don't have contractions. This is where they fall down as they
can't spell and professional or official documents look messy and
unprofessional. Now, by know means am I say
ing every blind person suffers from this, I'm just saying that some people
who learn grade to have never learned to spell properly.
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On 10 Jun 2014, at 22:02, Jim McAuslan <jimmcauslan1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Steve,
I've just received a 16 volume book in grade II Braille. I shudder to
think what that would be in uncontracted Braille. My posty would probably go
on strike and never talk to me again, grin.
Jim Mc
On 10/06/2014 21:45, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi Ian,
Not to mention the word Knowledge. Many blind people couldn't spell it.
And what idiot had the idea that there was an X in the word It.
Personally, I just wish grade 2 would go away and die. I can read
uncontracted Braille as fast as anyone I know who reads Grade 2.
All the best
Steve
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Iain Lackie
Sent: 09 June 2014 16:41
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING
I think it is very important that we as Braille users are aware of how
such
print conventions are used. Using capitalisation in Braille as a default
would definitely make this much easier. As to grade 2 Braille, there is a
strong argument for its demise. The contractions are arbitrary to say the
least and the different functionality of dot patterns must be a nightmare
for learners and those writing translation programs. I should say that I
would miss grade 2 Braille as a reader, but I think its demise might make
Braille life a lot easier for many. And the number of times I have seen
character misspelled because of its contraction is not insignificant. I
suspect words such as receive may be erroneously spelled because of the
arbitrary nature of contracted Braille.
Iain
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On 9 Jun 2014, at 03:56 pm, "Derek Hornby"
<derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Steve says
"If we don't have caps, we have illiterate blind people who don't
know how to write in the sighted world."
If that was the case, are those that left school in the
1960s and 70s on average illiterate!
Also, lets not forget grade 2 Braille.
Should grade 2 Braille be allowed, given fact
The grade 2 Braille abbreviations are not in print.
So most users of grade 2 are unable to spell correctly!!!!
Derek
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Hi,
I disagree.
If we don't have caps, we have illiterate blind people who don't know how
to
write in the sighterd world. They write everything in lower case. And
don't get me started on spelling because of contracted Braille.
All the best
Steve
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