[access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 23:19:46 +0100
Hi,
Again, dictation is spawn of the devil to me <Smile>.
All the best
Steve
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Kelsey Trevett
Sent: 10 June 2014 22:59
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING
Sorry, dictation isn't on my side today :-)
Sent from my iPhone
> On 10 Jun 2014, at 22:55, "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> That's interesting. You keep referring to Grade to, as in T O, rather
than
> T W O. So all those spelling lessons didn't do you any good with the
> grammar side of it <Big Smile>.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
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> Stevenage
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
> Kelsey Trevett
> Sent: 10 June 2014 22:47
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING
>
> Hi,
> I think that too many people believe that not reading grade 2 Braille is a
> crime in itself. It is so competitive: "I can read grade to, you can't". I
> think that both grades have a place in society but I do agree that
> uncontracted Braille make so much more sense logically. Spelling is
> obviously a skill that all blind people must have, just as cited people
do.
> I understand that grade to braille leaves many blind people feeling that
> they don't need to know how to spell when in fact, they really do. When I
> was taught grade 2, I was made to learn to spell every word before I was
> allowed to use it. Four example, I couldn't use the contraction for
> knowledge until I knew how to spell it. This helped me immensely, and is
why
> I can spell reasonably well today. Many blind people use laptops with
screen
> readers, which don't have contractions. This is where they fall down as
they
> can't spell and professional or official documents look messy and
> unprofessional. Now, by know means am I say
> ing every blind person suffers from this, I'm just saying that some people
> who learn grade to have never learned to spell properly.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 10 Jun 2014, at 22:02, Jim McAuslan <jimmcauslan1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> I've just received a 16 volume book in grade II Braille. I shudder to
> think what that would be in uncontracted Braille. My posty would probably
go
> on strike and never talk to me again, grin.
>> Jim Mc
>>> On 10/06/2014 21:45, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>> Hi Ian,
>>>
>>> Not to mention the word Knowledge. Many blind people couldn't spell it.
>>> And what idiot had the idea that there was an X in the word It.
>>>
>>> Personally, I just wish grade 2 would go away and die. I can read
>>> uncontracted Braille as fast as anyone I know who reads Grade 2.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
>>> Iain Lackie
>>> Sent: 09 June 2014 16:41
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING
>>>
>>> I think it is very important that we as Braille users are aware of how
> such
>>> print conventions are used. Using capitalisation in Braille as a default
>>> would definitely make this much easier. As to grade 2 Braille, there is
a
>>> strong argument for its demise. The contractions are arbitrary to say
the
>>> least and the different functionality of dot patterns must be a
nightmare
>>> for learners and those writing translation programs. I should say that I
>>> would miss grade 2 Braille as a reader, but I think its demise might
make
>>> Braille life a lot easier for many. And the number of times I have seen
>>> character misspelled because of its contraction is not insignificant. I
>>> suspect words such as receive may be erroneously spelled because of the
>>> arbitrary nature of contracted Braille.
>>>
>>> Iain
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 9 Jun 2014, at 03:56 pm, "Derek Hornby"
> <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Steve says
>>>
>>> "If we don't have caps, we have illiterate blind people who don't
>>> know how to write in the sighted world."
>>>
>>> If that was the case, are those that left school in the
>>> 1960s and 70s on average illiterate!
>>>
>>> Also, lets not forget grade 2 Braille.
>>> Should grade 2 Braille be allowed, given fact
>>> The grade 2 Braille abbreviations are not in print.
>>>
>>> So most users of grade 2 are unable to spell correctly!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Derek
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
>>> Steve Nutt
>>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 11:18 AM
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I disagree.
>>>
>>> If we don't have caps, we have illiterate blind people who don't know
how
> to
>>> write in the sighterd world. They write everything in lower case. And
>>> don't get me started on spelling because of contracted Braille.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
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