[access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING
- From: Kelsey Trevett <kelsey.trevett@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:52:07 +0100
Hi,
In materials like books, articles etc, capitals are used for emphasis as well
as grammar. Also, a capital sign is just like a punctuation symbol like a full
stop or a comma. By suggesting we don't use the capital sign, we are basically
saying that braille users should abandon punctuation altogether, which I'm sure
you'll agree we shouldn't do. I think we have to accept that we live in a
visual-based world, and that's the truth. I agree that computer Braille
capitalisation is a better way as it doesn't waste so many cells and you are
immediately informed of the letter and the fact that it is capitalised all at
once, just as a print reader would. Also, capitalisation is part of grammar,
which is an important part of the English language, along with many other
modern foreign languages.
Sent from my iPhone
> On 10 Jun 2014, at 22:40, "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim
> This was my point.
> Why do we need to show capitals in Braille?
> If the answer is, because they are in print, then Why bother with grade
> 2
> Braille as the grade 2 abbreviations are not in print!
>
> Derek
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Jim McAuslan
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 10:03 PM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I've just received a 16 volume book in grade II Braille. I shudder to
> think what that would be in uncontracted Braille. My posty would
> probably go on strike and never talk to me again, grin.
> Jim Mc
>> On 10/06/2014 21:45, Steve Nutt wrote:
>> Hi Ian,
>>
>> Not to mention the word Knowledge. Many blind people couldn't spell it.
>> And what idiot had the idea that there was an X in the word It.
>>
>> Personally, I just wish grade 2 would go away and die. I can read
>> uncontracted Braille as fast as anyone I know who reads Grade 2.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
>> Iain Lackie
>> Sent: 09 June 2014 16:41
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING
>>
>> I think it is very important that we as Braille users are aware of how
> such
>> print conventions are used. Using capitalisation in Braille as a default
>> would definitely make this much easier. As to grade 2 Braille, there is a
>> strong argument for its demise. The contractions are arbitrary to say the
>> least and the different functionality of dot patterns must be a nightmare
>> for learners and those writing translation programs. I should say that I
>> would miss grade 2 Braille as a reader, but I think its demise might make
>> Braille life a lot easier for many. And the number of times I have seen
>> character misspelled because of its contraction is not insignificant. I
>> suspect words such as receive may be erroneously spelled because of the
>> arbitrary nature of contracted Braille.
>>
>> Iain
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 9 Jun 2014, at 03:56 pm, "Derek Hornby"
> <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Steve says
>>
>> "If we don't have caps, we have illiterate blind people who don't
>> know how to write in the sighted world."
>>
>> If that was the case, are those that left school in the
>> 1960s and 70s on average illiterate!
>>
>> Also, lets not forget grade 2 Braille.
>> Should grade 2 Braille be allowed, given fact
>> The grade 2 Braille abbreviations are not in print.
>>
>> So most users of grade 2 are unable to spell correctly!!!!
>>
>>
>> Derek
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
>> Steve Nutt
>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 11:18 AM
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I disagree.
>>
>> If we don't have caps, we have illiterate blind people who don't know how
> to
>> write in the sighterd world. They write everything in lower case. And
>> don't get me started on spelling because of contracted Braille.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
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>> Stevenage
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