[access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING
- From: Kelsey Trevett <kelsey.trevett@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:46:51 +0100
Hi,
I think that too many people believe that not reading grade 2 Braille is a
crime in itself. It is so competitive: "I can read grade to, you can't". I
think that both grades have a place in society but I do agree that uncontracted
Braille make so much more sense logically. Spelling is obviously a skill that
all blind people must have, just as cited people do. I understand that grade
to braille leaves many blind people feeling that they don't need to know how to
spell when in fact, they really do. When I was taught grade 2, I was made to
learn to spell every word before I was allowed to use it. Four example, I
couldn't use the contraction for knowledge until I knew how to spell it. This
helped me immensely, and is why I can spell reasonably well today. Many blind
people use laptops with screen readers, which don't have contractions. This is
where they fall down as they can't spell and professional or official documents
look messy and unprofessional. Now, by know means am I saying every blind
person suffers from this, I'm just saying that some people who learn grade to
have never learned to spell properly.
Sent from my iPhone
> On 10 Jun 2014, at 22:02, Jim McAuslan <jimmcauslan1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I've just received a 16 volume book in grade II Braille. I shudder to think
> what that would be in uncontracted Braille. My posty would probably go on
> strike and never talk to me again, grin.
> Jim Mc
>> On 10/06/2014 21:45, Steve Nutt wrote:
>> Hi Ian,
>>
>> Not to mention the word Knowledge. Many blind people couldn't spell it.
>> And what idiot had the idea that there was an X in the word It.
>>
>> Personally, I just wish grade 2 would go away and die. I can read
>> uncontracted Braille as fast as anyone I know who reads Grade 2.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> Iain Lackie
>> Sent: 09 June 2014 16:41
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING
>>
>> I think it is very important that we as Braille users are aware of how such
>> print conventions are used. Using capitalisation in Braille as a default
>> would definitely make this much easier. As to grade 2 Braille, there is a
>> strong argument for its demise. The contractions are arbitrary to say the
>> least and the different functionality of dot patterns must be a nightmare
>> for learners and those writing translation programs. I should say that I
>> would miss grade 2 Braille as a reader, but I think its demise might make
>> Braille life a lot easier for many. And the number of times I have seen
>> character misspelled because of its contraction is not insignificant. I
>> suspect words such as receive may be erroneously spelled because of the
>> arbitrary nature of contracted Braille.
>>
>> Iain
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 9 Jun 2014, at 03:56 pm, "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Steve says
>>
>> "If we don't have caps, we have illiterate blind people who don't
>> know how to write in the sighted world."
>>
>> If that was the case, are those that left school in the
>> 1960s and 70s on average illiterate!
>>
>> Also, lets not forget grade 2 Braille.
>> Should grade 2 Braille be allowed, given fact
>> The grade 2 Braille abbreviations are not in print.
>>
>> So most users of grade 2 are unable to spell correctly!!!!
>>
>>
>> Derek
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> Steve Nutt
>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 11:18 AM
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I disagree.
>>
>> If we don't have caps, we have illiterate blind people who don't know how to
>> write in the sighterd world. They write everything in lower case. And
>> don't get me started on spelling because of contracted Braille.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
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>> 77 Exeter Close
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