Hi Ian, Not to mention the word Knowledge. Many blind people couldn't spell it. And what idiot had the idea that there was an X in the word It. Personally, I just wish grade 2 would go away and die. I can read uncontracted Braille as fast as anyone I know who reads Grade 2. All the best Steve -- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 Email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Iain Lackie Sent: 09 June 2014 16:41 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING I think it is very important that we as Braille users are aware of how such print conventions are used. Using capitalisation in Braille as a default would definitely make this much easier. As to grade 2 Braille, there is a strong argument for its demise. The contractions are arbitrary to say the least and the different functionality of dot patterns must be a nightmare for learners and those writing translation programs. I should say that I would miss grade 2 Braille as a reader, but I think its demise might make Braille life a lot easier for many. And the number of times I have seen character misspelled because of its contraction is not insignificant. I suspect words such as receive may be erroneously spelled because of the arbitrary nature of contracted Braille. Iain Sent from my iPhone On 9 Jun 2014, at 03:56 pm, "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Steve says "If we don't have caps, we have illiterate blind people who don't know how to write in the sighted world." If that was the case, are those that left school in the 1960s and 70s on average illiterate! Also, lets not forget grade 2 Braille. Should grade 2 Braille be allowed, given fact The grade 2 Braille abbreviations are not in print. So most users of grade 2 are unable to spell correctly!!!! Derek -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 11:18 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING Hi, I disagree. If we don't have caps, we have illiterate blind people who don't know how to write in the sighterd world. They write everything in lower case. And don't get me started on spelling because of contracted Braille. All the best Steve -- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq