Capitals have their place in print, don't they, if only to make communication clearer. I don't really get why the British Braille system ever did without them. Vince. ======================================== Message Received: Jun 09 2014, 04:08 PM From: "Peter Beasley" To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING Personally, I don't like the use of the capital sign in Braille. I'm not an avid Braille reader but why waist a whole cell just to indicate that the following letter is a Capital. in ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Hornby" To: Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 3:56 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING > Steve says > > "If we don't have caps, we have illiterate blind people who don't > know how to write in the sighted world." > > If that was the case, are those that left school in the > 1960s and 70s on average illiterate! > > Also, lets not forget grade 2 Braille. > Should grade 2 Braille be allowed, given fact > The grade 2 Braille abbreviations are not in print. > > So most users of grade 2 are unable to spell correctly!!!! > > > Derek > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > Steve Nutt > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 11:18 AM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING > > Hi, > > I disagree. > > If we don't have caps, we have illiterate blind people who don't know how > to > write in the sighterd world. They write everything in lower case. And > don't get me started on spelling because of contracted Braille. > > All the best > > Steve > > -- > Computer Room Services > 77 Exeter Close > Stevenage > Hertfordshire > SG1 4PW > Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 > Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 > Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 > Email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > Derek Hornby > Sent: 08 June 2014 00:26 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING > > And real Braille is not print. Sadly some people are trying to make > Braille more like print. > We don't need to show capital letter in Braille. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > Iain Lackie > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2014 10:16 PM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING > > Braille is not a language. Perhaps if this misconception was laid to rest, > more people might be more willing to learn. > > Iain > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 7 Jun 2014, at 02:03 pm, "Eleanor Martha Burke" > wrote: > > > I think I would put it down to an error of the person labelling not being > familiar with the language of Braille and putting wrong labels on the > produce rather than a deliberate breach of any Act on the part of the > company. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shaun O'Connor > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2014 1:53 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: BRAILLE ON PACKAGING > > As a point of interest I wonder if Braille mislabelling could count > as being breach of the trades descriptions act? > > On 07/06/2014 13:36, carol.pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > > > Let us know what you find out and glad it wasn't worse! > Carol P > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Macrae" > > > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2014 12:40 PM > Subject: [access-uk] BRAILLE ON PACKAGING > > > > > As some of you know I was recently asked to write a > piece for the Guardian on Braille and hopes for the future. In that piece > I > mentioned that The co-Op labels many, though not all of its own brand > lines > in Braille. Today, however, I found a discrepancy between the print and > Braille packaging. I bought a pack of Co-Op bran flakes. Thankfully I > don't have to rely solely on the Braille to identify products because the > Braille said that the pack contained Golden Honey Nut Corn flakes. 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