haha! Website accessibility and flash together? BBc were always good on their sites, but they've only just got used to the fact that their I-player doesn't work and fixed it. Bad coding in my book is a criminal offence! Erica. is anyone aware of any lists where people can vent at this kind of stuff? I wouldn't have thought so but is here appropriate? Cheers, E Erica J Cole EMail rebellion220@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Emailrebellion220@xxxxxxxxxxx> MSN ezica@xxxxxxxxxx phone 0115 714 1140 _____ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Léonie Watson Sent: 30 November 2008 18:54 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Audible SA To Go acknowledges that the Flash is there, but it doesn't deal with the Flash itself particularly well. It's also something of a mixed blessing that it recognises the Flash at all though. To do so means SA To Go actively ignores the fact that the player isn't coded very well. I'd much rather websites followed best practice and put solutions in place that are appropriate for all users. Léonie. -- http://www.tink.co.uk/ _____ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of M BROWN Sent: 30 November 2008 17:56 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Audible The flash player is now fine with System Access. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Léonie Watson <mailto:tink@xxxxxxxxxx> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Audible The problem is that the audio player is Flash based. They've used an embedding technique that hides the Flash from screen readers, the Flash itself isn't accessible and the underlying code isn't compatible either. It isn't easy to reverse engineer Flash, but the principle problems are clear. I contacted Audible earlier this week to explain all this and give them some more technical information. How quickly they respond will depend on whether it's a third party application or whether they have in-house control over it. If it is a third party application, I've also pointed them at a fully accessible alternative. Léonie. -- http://www.tink.co.uk/ _____ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amro Bilal Sent: 28 November 2008 13:40 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Audible I couldn't get any audio samples using either System Access nor Jaws 10. Cheers, Amro ----- Original Message ----- From: Sunil <mailto:bosley20@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Audible I’m using Jaws 10 and am able to access the samples. I use the tab key to navigate through the info for each book, author, title etc. from memory, it takes five presses to go through the info for each book. On the second or third press jaws remains silent but if you hit enter at that point the sample plays. _____ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of M BROWN Sent: 28 November 2008 12:08 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Audible In recent times a sample recording of books etc. was not available when using screen readers. This would still seem to be the same using JAWS Version 10 and below. However, when using System Access, the problem seems to be resolved. Using System Access, I am able to get a sample recording of anything on the Audible site. Martin