Hi Jackie -How does the price of a new Apple OS compare to a new MS operating system? Have you had enough experience, or maybe Gordon can jump in here too, to say if when upgrading Apple OS, Voice Over ever loses out, as JFW often seems to, as in what use to be fixed in one version of JAWS, can appear broken in an upgrade -
Andy----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hi Andy The Mac browser, built into the operating system, is called Safari. Itworks well on the sites we have visited so far, and Martin can do his online banking easier on the Mac than he can with Windows and JAWS 12 at the momentwhich is kind of interesting.Whenever there is an update, VoiceOver is included. You don't have to worryabout downloading updates from a site. If there is one, the Mac will tell you if you go to Software Updates, it's great and very easy that way. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message-----From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf OfANDY COLLINS Sent: 19 May 2011 11:30 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [access-uk] Re: Apps for the Mac, was New voices for the next appleoperating system Thanks Jackie Gordon and Tristram - My life is less busy these days, andI've no real need for a powerful word processing programme, or for the bells and whistles of say Outlook, so basic word processing, email and spreadsheetwould do for me. What I do need is good web surfing ability, so if Apple offer this, along with not having to upgrade Voice Over each time the operating system changes, as always seems to be the case with Windows and JAWS, then it looks a positive move to me, eventually - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:16 AMSubject: [access-uk] Re: Apps for the Mac, was New voices for the next appleoperating systemHi Andy When I say Office doesn't cut it on the Mac, I mean that the programs available to Mac Users don't work in the same way as Office. I bought a program called iWork for my iMac. This has Pages as its word processor, and Numbers for the spreadsheet. You can save your documents to Windows format, and import them successfully. But it isn't the same as Microsoft Office because you don't have Outlook. You do have a programme built into the Mac operating system called Mail, and Martin has set up his Email account on his Mac Mini, and says it is easy to navigate with VoiceOver. But it isn't as sophisticated, dare I say it, as Outlook and all the things you can do with the calendar etc. On the other hand, a confident Mac user might argue that you can do everything on the Mac that you can do in Windows and, more specifically, within Office. I'm not expert enough to contradict that viewpoint, I'm only just beginning my Apple adventure. It probably depends what you want the Mac to do for you. I've got two systems running on different machines, and jump to the Mac to experiment when I have time and inclination. I'm in no way ready to dump Windows, and nor do I have plans to migrate either. I just like the idea of playing with a different concept, and actually find Apple's attitude to accessibility very refreshing! I also find that Braille to Apple isn't just an afterthought, and very much something that is included in their operating system. There is no fuss about digitally signed drivers, you just plug in your display and Apple recognises it, well certainly the newer models anyway. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ANDY COLLINS Sent: 19 May 2011 10:07 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: New voices for the next apple operating system Hi Jackie - this is useful feedback, thanks. So, if as you say, Office doesn't cut it on the Mac, what are the word processing/spreadsheet options for a blind user of the Mac? Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 9:27 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: New voices for the next apple operating systemWell Andy, I still use JAWS primarily because I'm used to it, sort of in a comfort zone if you like. I don't like Freedom Scientific, I think everybody knows that. I hate the way they operate, but that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. I hope the day comes when Microsoft, for all its faults and flaws, will do as Apple have, and bring out a built-in screen reader. And the reason? Because Apple's operating system works with VoiceOver. You don't have to buy scripts or add-ons, and when the software has an upgrade, so does VoiceOver, and it works with everything on the Mac that is part of that operating system. That is not to say that VoiceOver works with everything you can buy for the Mac, and therein is the difference. There is software out there that doesn't work with VoiceOver. It is also a steep learning curve, but I now have an iMac, and I like leaving Windows for a bit to learn something on it. I also don't have iTunes on my PC, but use it on the Mac, and have my music collection on it so I can transfer what I want to my iPod Nano and the iTouch. The Alex voice on the Mac is very good too. I don't think I would ever swap my PC for the Mac full-time, I don't feel confident enough to do that, and there are apps on the PC that don't cut it on the Mac like Office. But to play with and learn, it's an interesting concept. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ANDY COLLINS Sent: 18 May 2011 16:59 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: New voices for the next apple operating system Well you know Jackie, I've been considering a mac for when the time comes to buy a new laptop, if I haven't gone the IPad route by then. I guess there's quite a steep learning curve if going from Windows to Mac, but any improvement over JAWS and eloquence has to be a big plus for me - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:27 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: New voices for the next apple operating systemYep Andy with you completely, and they are slower on a device too. I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole unless they are built into something that doesn't allow you to change them. Alex on the Mac is very good quality. You even hear him take breaths when he is reading. It's personal preference, but I agree those voices are dreadful, apart from Sangita, who is really quite realistic in her own way. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ANDY COLLINS Sent: 17 May 2011 13:51 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: New voices for the next apple operating system Well, I hope, but doubt that they would sound better under Voice Over. I hate them. Still too mechanical. Why do these voices always sound as though they're gargling as they speak? I'd hoped by now we'd be having a more naturally flowing voice - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Keen <mailto:gordonkeen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:01 AM Subject: [access-uk] New voices for the next apple operating system Hi Thought some of you might want a listen to these, what do you think of them... Begin forwarded message: Hello Here are samples of a couple of the new voices in Lion which have been doing the rounds. These aren't generated through Apple's speech engine, they're the same voices used by another service so the samples are generated from that. They may or may not sound better when used in VoiceOver: English American Accent - Samantha <http://nextupdownloads.com/scansamples/samantha.wav> English British Accent - Serena <http://nextupdownloads.com/scansamples/serena.wav> Cheers G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. 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