[access-uk] Re: Apple unveils iPad tablet device
- From: "James & Nash" <james.austin1984@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:31:40 +0000
Fair enough Barry, as i think i said in a previous message, people should use
what they prefer to use. I just think that organisations like NFB and others
are wrong to decry something because it is different and unfortunately the
Blind have ben dreadfully misinformed about Apple and their accessibility.
TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 29 Jan 2010, at 13:59, Barry Toner wrote:
> Hi James,
>
> Yeah I did like Alex's voice. I'm a strange one though as I prefer
> Elaquince because IMHO it's a balance between Dectalk and TTS voices like
> Alex. I would though be very much a utilitarian user of the C.
>
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> James & Nash
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:49 PM
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> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple unveils iPad tablet device
>
> Hi Barry,
>
> The quality of the hardware is I think better because although not
> everything is manufactured by Apple, the design process is and it is very
> noticeable. The point you make about sppech is very true, but I do not
> believe that people who say "oh I can listen to Eloquence at 80 or 100
> percent" are being honest. I do not believe that they can even get the gist
> of what they are reading unless of course it is something they've written
> themselves and listen to it immediately. But yes, the Alex speech is not as
> fast as JFW or WE, but it is much nicer to listen to and it actually
> "breathes" which is a cool feature and only ads to the human-like quality of
> the voice.
>
> TC
> James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
> On 29 Jan 2010, at 13:00, Barry Toner wrote:
>
>> James,
>>
>> It could be argued though that because you're using a propriatory OS,
>> there's less versatility in-terms of hardware, and software available for
>> it.
>>
>> Granted, the lack of a registry or dll's is nice. As a former Mac user I
>> found installing and uninstalling apps a breeze in comparison to Windows.
>> However, people are very quick to forget the vast and i do mean vast
>> compatibility and legacy support the Windows platform must support.
>>
>> I'd love to see power VO, Win Eyes and JAWS users go head to head in a
>> competition. I simply dont' believe that the VO user could win. One
> thing
>> that would put them at a disadvantage straight off is that VO will not
> speak
>> as fast as Elaquince or Dectalk. Therefore if as part of said test you
> had
>> to wait for speech comfirmation...
>>
>> Barry
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
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> Of
>> James & Nash
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:37 AM
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple unveils iPad tablet device
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> I think the thing Lyn is referring to here - at least partly, is the way
>> that Mac OS X being UNIX based allocates the RAM. If you have 2GB of RAM
> Mac
>> OS X will actually allow you to use it all. There is a noticeable
>> improvement too, , because the OS is far lighter than Windows du at least
> in
>> part i suspect to the fact that there is no Registry or DLL files etc.
>>
>> As Mac OS X is built upon a UNIX foundation and UNIX was (and still is)
>> designed to be a true multi-user operating system, the whole experience is
>> at least in my opinion far smoother and faster due not only to the power
> and
>> design of UNIX, and the reasons I've given above, but also to Apple's
>> philosophy.
>>
>> I'm sure Lyn will chime in with other reasons that she has, but that is
> just
>> part of what makes a Mac experience so fulfilling. I can't really speak
> for
>> the responsiveness of JFW vs VO as i don't use the Windows Screen Readers
>> enough anymore to make that comparison accurately. And besides, you are
>> comparing two different Assistive Technologies on two different platforms
>> each using a very different approach. Having said this, though, I would
> say
>> that once user is comfortable using VO, they are at least as fast as a JFW
>> or WE user in getting things done, if not quicker.
>>
>> TC
>> James Lyn, Nash & Twinny
>> On 28 Jan 2010, at 23:24, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Lyn,
>>>
>>> Are you compairing with Windows XP, or Windows 7? Are both your PC and
>> your
>>> Apple exactly the same speed? Do they have the same processor? I am
>> afraid
>>> what you are saying is not very scientific. If your processor on your
>> Apple
>>> is faster than your PC, then of course VO will be faster. But I don't
>> think
>>> it is any more responsive than either JFW or WE with a decent
> synthesiser.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Of
>>> Lyn & Twinny
>>> Sent: Thursday 28 January 2010 18:48
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple unveils iPad tablet device
>>>
>>> Of course all you people that sell screen readers like JFW and WE will
>> never
>>> give anything else the time of day and would rather criticise. I hate to
>>> say it but Jfw is a total rip off, especially here in Europe and I am
> just
>>> glad that blind people have other alternatives at last such as the mac
>>> and/or linux. And to those who think that voice over is a trunked
> version
>>> of narator, you are totally wrong as this is definitely not the case.
>> Over
>>> here in France, we are really pushing the mac and a lot of us have
> already
>>> switched over. Not only is the mac now fully accessible but Mac OSX runs
>> so
>>> much faster and smoother than Windows and it is a real pleasure to be
> able
>>> to use the full capacity of your computer. I have compared my Windows PC
>>> and my mac and I definitely know which one is the most efficient.
>>>
>>> Take care,
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