[access-uk] Re: Apple or?
- From: "James & Nash" <james.austin1984@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:18:46 +0000
I bet it's incredibly expensive being from HW.
TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 18 Jan 2010, at 09:43, Steve Nutt wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> You are wrong too <Smile>. The Stream battery is user replacable. Yes, you
> have to buy it from Humanware, but you don't have to send it back to change
> it.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> jim denton
> Sent: Sunday 17 January 2010 20:07
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple or?
>
> Steve,
>
> I don't think the apple products have all the answers, but the
> victor Streme has to have a battery changed by Humanware. What about the
> Booksense? My point is, Apple has only produced phones for three years, and
> the power and other bugs will be sorted. The other thing is look at Window
> mobile has battery problems, and bugs and they have pushed their phones for
> more than three years.
>
> A point in another message said that with voice over you get to know where
> things are on a screen are, and you can't do that with our usual screen
> readers, not with out learning different key strokes anyway.
>
> I am not sure about productivity with the I Phone, you can make calls with
> it, and you can text with it, thats productive enough. As a business phone
> maybe having email and access to the web would be handy, but want to do you
> want? Word processing, spreadsheets, powerpoint, do other phones offer that,
>
> and would you like to spend hours using them.
>
> Cheers for now Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:16 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple or?
>
>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> It's still painful to use if you are blind for real productivity. I have
>> an
>> iPod touch, but I would never have an iPhone. Besides, it's so poor as a
>> phone anyway, the battery life is poor and the battery is not even user
>> replacable.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> Of
>> jim denton
>> Sent: Saturday 16 January 2010 17:06
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple or?
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> good point, but the interface is more of a visual concept. People who
>> loose
>> their sight later in life may find that easier to learn. As I have said,
>> it
>> is good to have choices, and thats good for every one.
>>
>> Cheers for now Jim
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:40 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple or?
>>
>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> But that's just the point. You are not using the same commands as
>>> sighted
>>> people as you put it.
>>>
>>> When you turn on Voiceover, it changes the gesturing system to that which
>>> is
>>> more "blind-friendly" for want of a better word.
>>>
>>> So many sighted people don't understand the interface at all when
>>> voiceover
>>> is turned on.
>>>
>>> Had they kept it the same for both camps, then it really would have been
>>> good, but they didn't for one reason or another, and that's one thing I
>>> don't like.
>>>
>>> With Talks for example, for the most part, you are accessing the phone
>>> exactly the same as a sighted person would, except for special keys like
>>> the
>>> signal strength etc. But Apple in their wisdom, chose to change the
>>> whole
>>> gesturing system.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> jim denton
>>> Sent: Wednesday 13 January 2010 16:08
>>> To: accessuk
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Apple or?
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just a few thoughts. I have been reading a few of the threads over the
>>> last
>>> week or so, the I.pod touch came up. I am not going to bang the drum for
>>> one
>>>
>>> device or another.
>>>
>>> As some will know, I like things to be simple, I am a user of tech gear,
>>> but
>>>
>>> don't really understand whats going on underneath.
>>>
>>> Nokia have been providing phones for over 12 years, third party companies
>>> have added speech to those phones for us. Now there is GPS added to that,
>>> again by third parties. That makes three different companies in the loop
>>> to
>>> give the phone functions for us to use. I don't know what the time gap
>>> there
>>>
>>> is to update for us, but my guess is that Nokia has to upgrade the
>>> opperating system, then the speech companies do their stuff and finally
>>> the
>>> navigation software. Hopefully all three areas talk to each other, but I
>>> bet
>>>
>>> they all blaim each other for bugs and faults. Who is at the end of this
>>> game us, speech has been on the phone for about ten years, but we have to
>>> wait, and then cough up for new releases.
>>>
>>> Apple brought out their first phone three years ago, not accessable. but
>>> two
>>>
>>> years later, there is a accessable phone, a new concept for us blinkies
>>> to
>>> get to grips with. The speech is part of the opperating system, so thats
>>> one
>>>
>>> less third party company to deal with. This phone is less than a year
>>> old,
>>> and you can already get Navigation, dictation, music, and a choice of
>>> thousands of other apps to try out. Not all of the stuff works well, and
>>> some does not work at all, but it gives us more choice. I have not used
>>> one
>>> of these phones but it seems to me, that if we are using the same
>>> commands
>>> as our sighted friends, then they will be able to help and advise rather
>>> than having expensive training with our hightech wizards. There will be
>>> less chance of the specialist companies blaiming the opperating systems
>>> for
>>> bugs, and blaiming other access companies when their stuff doesn't work.
>>>
>>> For me, a phone is to make calls on, and text on. I would like to have a
>>> pocket navigation solution, and at some point use the phone to get on to
>>> the
>>>
>>> internet. I will be upgrading my phone this year and will look at all the
>>> options. If the Iphone gets a really good Daisy reader, and maybe a
>>> scanning
>>>
>>> app, then I will seriously look at that, to do all that with a Nokia
>>> phone
>>> would cost a lot of money and woud remain a dream.
>>>
>>> Keep it simple stupid Jim
>>>
>>>
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