Peter, Indeed, that's why I'd buy an Apple! Dave Hmm. Dave, You wrote: Microsoft could easily purchase Freedom Scientific and incorporate JAWS into windows, and get it working better. ___ Not looking for an argument Dave, but didn't you say Microsoft messed everything up? So maybe they'd just make Jaws really awful to use. And perhaps if they did incorporate Jaws onto Windows, might'n they be sued and forced to sell it off again? Peter -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ankers, Dave (UK) Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 2:54 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple Vs Microsoft Jackie, The fact is as blind people, we need computers, unfortunately they are still very much in the development stage, especially with regard to access technology. What rats me off is the likes of Microsoft, who make billions and don't make their systems accessible to all. . Instead, we have to pay through the nose for it. So if a company like Apple build a system with screen reading and voice recognition fully incorporated, that's who I'll be spending my money with. Lets also not forget, screen reading and voice recognition can also prove very useful for fully sighted users too. I myself, have only been loosing my sight for the last eight years, and it would have been so much easier to have been able to turn the accessibility features on in a system already equipped, than have to purchase it all separately. It would certainly have lessened the stress, cost and difficulties encountered trying to install accessibility software on a business machine. Dave Hi all, Following on from a previous thread, comparing products from Apple and Microsoft. Apple products while being more expensive and not as popular, seem to win favour with its customers because they are easy to use and work. Microsoft's products are cheaper initially, not particularly easy to use, and break down constantly. When shutting down a windows system, you can never rely on it to restart properly, I find it very unstable, especially when JAWS, J-SAY and Dragon naturally speaking are running. As for ease of use, Windows word is infuriating to use, even by sighted users. As I said Microsoft products are cheaper initially, only initially because if you add on all the time spent and when its company time its damn expensive, fixing bugs, viruses and software incompatibility, which is no wonder considering how much Microsoft charge software manufacturers for testing, which is why most don't bother. Personally I've had it with Microsoft, and I'm waiting for Apple to produce a system equipped with screen reading and voice recognition. The software used could come from Freedom scientific, T&T, Nuance or anyone, I don't care as long as it is fully incorporated and works. Why fully incorporated? simple, because then when an update is released, it will hopefully have been fully tested. Currently when say JAWS releases an update, we have to wait for J-SAY and Dragon to catch up. and then there are problems. Problems I don't need, and from Apples reputation for quality, reliability and ease of use, that's what I'm looking for. When it finally arrives, Bill Gates can take his products and shove them, well you know where! Dave ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. 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