[access-uk] Re: Android and navigation programs
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:22:31 +0100
Hi,
Well maps, Navigation adn Local are all accessible and all built into Ice
Cream Sandwich and up phones.
Then we have Walkie Talkie, Intersection Explorer, and Place Saver, not to
mention Its My Stop. All of which do different bits of nav and are pretty
good. It's My Stop is particularly good, because it can trigger an alarm
when you are a number of minutes based on speed away from a train station or
any address. Intersection Explorer will let you virtually explore an area
with your fingers, getting the position of streets etc. All good stuff, and
most of it free.
So there's quite a bit of good nav stuff on Android and I suspect more to
come.
All the best
Steve
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Peter Bentley
Sent: 18 July 2012 08:01
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Android and navigation programs
How accessible and reliable are any navigation programs on the Android
systems please?
Peter Bentley
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Keith Barrett
Sent: 17 July 2012 20:32
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Android
Hi,
The xperia pro and mini pro have some internal storeage but they take a
micro sd card.
I think they will take a 64gb card but would need to check that. I have a
32gb in mine.
You can use the touch screen or the keyboard.
I try to use the touch screen because I think that one day I may not be able
to get a keyboard phone but, you know, it is so much faster to type on a
keyboard.
The xperia pro is selling for £190.00 on amazon at the moment.
The difference between the xperia pro and mini pro is that the xperia pro
has a better battery and a better camera. It is slightly larger.
hth.
On 17/07/2012 17:03, Jackie Cairns wrote:
> Keith, is the Xperia range keyboard only, or can these handsets be
> used in the normal touch-screen manner?
>
> What is the maximum capacity on an Android Smartphone, roughly the
> same as an iPhone?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Keith Barrett
> Sent: 17 July 2012 16:46
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Android
>
> Well, the xperia pro and mini pro which are the two with keyboards are
> getting an official sony upgrade and there are also unofficial roms
> for both of them.
>
>
>
> On 17/07/2012 16:19, Vince Thacker wrote:
>> Jackie, I'm sure you'll find some of those Sony phones can be
>> upgraded to at least 4.0, and possibly some can't because the
>> hardware is too limited. Another complication!
>>
>> Vince.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns"
>> <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:21 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Android
>>
>>
>>> Hi Vince
>>>
>>> Just had a quick look at the Sony Xperia, and it appears to have
>>> Android 2.1 on it. I'm just browsing really out of curiosity.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of Vince Thacker
>>> Sent: 17 July 2012 11:01
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Android
>>>
>>> Jackie, if you ended up with an older version of Android, you could
>>> install Talkback, which is the equivalent of VoiceOver. As well as
>>> the voice, it now includes vibrations and sounds that also
>>> contribute to the accessibility.
>>>
>>> If you had Android 4 point something, you wouldn't need to worry.
>>> Some kind of gesture would then be all you need to start the
>>> accessibility.
>>>
>>> There are some tutorials on YouTube, but some people that have done
>>> them seem to find it so exciting to have loads of background noise
>>> going on or don't put any spoken commentary on at all that it can be
>>> hard to know what's happening.
>>>
>>> Vince.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:50 AM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Android
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Vince
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks indeed, this really helps. I agree that you know where
>>>> you are with Apple and its iPhone. You have VoiceOver and that's
>>>> it basically.
>>>> But
>>>> Android seems to be more complicated in respect of what you ask for.
>>>> So later versions of the operating system have accessibility built
>>>> into them which can be activated upon purchase?
>>>>
>>>> As for Georgie, that approach wouldn't appeal to me personally.
>>>> I've had enough of buying items that have a short shelf life, and I
>>>> rather feel Georgie will come into that category.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf Of Vince Thacker
>>>> Sent: 17 July 2012 10:21
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Android
>>>>
>>>> Jackie,
>>>>
>>>> Names such as Gingerbread, Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean are
>>>> nicknames for the various versions of the Android operating system.
>>>> Jelly Bean is the latest, and is version 4.1. Ice Cream is version
>>>> 4.0. The more recent the version, the better the accessibility is
>>>> likely to be. Older versions can be made to work, but you may need
>>>> to download some of the apps yourself, which could be tricky if you
>>>> don't have any sight, and don't have any accessibility, like. 4.0
>>>> and 4.1 are the best ones to look at, as speech is readily
>>>> available with those.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Google are the developers of the OS, but how much any particular
>>>> phone is a purely Google version is where it seems to get messy.
>>>> Manufacturers of Android phones often tinker with the system and
>>>> impose their own apps, affectionately known as bloatware. The
>>>> problem for us is that some of this bloatware can interfere with,
>>>> or break, whatever accessibility that is built into Android.
>>>>
>>>> I'm open to correction here, but HTC seems to be one of the worst
>>>> offenders when it comes to breaking the accessibility with its own
>>>> junk software.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, phones that are often mentioned as good for
>>>> keeping to a decent version of Android include the Galaxy Nexus,
>>>> the Galaxy S3 and the Sony Xperia Pro (which also still has some
>>>> physical buttons, so may interest some people just because of that).
>>>>
>>>> One of the problems with the Georgie idea might be that if you get
>>>> frustrated with the walled garden approach and turn off the special
>>>> apps, you're left with an old version of Android, possibly version
>>>> 2 point something, so you'd need to rebuild some accessibility into
>>>> your phone.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody could be forgiven for being confused with all this, and
>>>> this fragmentation of Android seems to have been a major hurdle in
>>>> getting Android to appeal to blind people. At least with an iPhone,
>>>> you have a pretty good idea of what you're getting, and the staff
>>>> at the Apple Store are likely to know how to set up the accessibility.
>>>> With recent versions of Anroid, though, you'd be able to set it up
>>>> OK yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Vince.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mobeen Iqbal" <mobeeniqbal@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:28 AM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Android
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hi jackie. I have used various android handsets. Accessibility is
>>>>> vastly improved with 4.0! To give you an overview i can give you a
>>>>> ring at your convenience? Send me your number off list and we can
>>>>> go from there. Mo.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17/07/2012, Jackie Cairns <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>>>>>> As I have become kind of interested in this thread, perhaps Steve
>>>>>> or someone with knowledge of Android phones could please tell me
>>>>>> which of them work with accessibility? I was chatting with my
>>>>>> son last night, and he says two of his friends have the Galaxy
>>>>>> S3, whatever that is. It would appear that Android Smartphones
>>>>>> are cheaper than the iPhone, but do they all work for blindies?
>>>>>> The general threads from people on this list have aroused my
>>>>>> curiosity in Android. I gather, without wishing to sound
>>>>>> ignorant, that Android is the operating system, so what is the
>>>>>> Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean part of it then? And is Android
>>>>>> something to do with Google?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry to sound vague, but I am only just beginning to wake up to
>>>>>> the Apple alternative, (smile).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of ANDY COLLINS
>>>>>> Sent: 16 July 2012 17:16
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Android
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, if that is so, which phones does it work on? -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Peter Beasley <mailto:pjbeasley23@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:32 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Cobolt compass, beware
>>>>>>
>>>>>> androyd is the operating system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Vince Thacker <mailto:vince@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Cobolt compass, beware
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy, Android, as I understand it, started off as its own
>>>>>> company, but is now part of Google.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vince.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: ANDY COLLINS <mailto:Andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:11 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Cobolt compass, beware
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Steve - I'm still with the N82 [I know I know <smile>] My
>>>>>> intention when I next go for a phone, was to probably go the
>>>>>> IPhone route, but have to say, I don't like the size and shape of
>>>>>> it so much. Guess I need to find out what the differences are
>>>>>> between it, and Android models. I'm a bit behind with the latest
>>>>>> mobile market. Are Androids the manufacturor name, as with Nokia?
>>>>>> Or is Android the OS produced by Google? -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Steve Nutt
>>>>>> <mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:31 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Cobolt compass, beware
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Andy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never seen the Cobolt compass, but I do this on my
>>>>>> mainstream Android phone <Smile>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ANDY COLLINS
>>>>>> Sent: 15 July 2012 22:42
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Cobolt compass, beware
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another waste of dosh! I think I paid about
>>>>>> £35 for this, and it's a load of rubbish. My experience with
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it, found it to be both inaccurate and unpredictable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like many things produce for blind people,
>>>>>> it is also very ugly, and cheap looking/feeling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not just banging the old drum of
>>>>>> complaint against equipment produced for the blind. In fact, it
>>>>>> saddens
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> to find yet again the same experience, of over-priced [but I do
>>>>>> understand
>>>>>> the niche market equals fewer sales argument] ugly build, hardly
>>>>>> fit for
>>>>>> purpose, assistive equipment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I always try to buy where I can,
>>>>>> mainstream equipment, and figure out how to get the best from it, but
>>>>>> sometimes, mainstream can be too non-accessible, and I am forced to
go
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the so-called specialists. It truly gives me no pleasure in
>>>>>> bringing to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> attention of the list this poor piece of specialist equipment, but I
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> we need to keep shouting for equality in product performance,
>>>>>> reliability,
>>>>>> and aesthetic appeal. I don't want big clunky stuff in my pockets, or
>>>>>> around
>>>>>> my house, just because it can talk, or give me some other kind of
>>>>>> additional
>>>>>> feedback. As I have said before on this list, the PTR1 was the most
>>>>>> over-priced, mal-functioning, hugely ugly piece of junk, I've ever
>>>>>> wasted
>>>>>> 600 quid on. Sadly, I've wasted 35 on a useless compass, that thinks
>>>>>> North
>>>>>> is wherever it fancies, on any given day -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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