[access-uk] Android and navigation programs
- From: "Peter Bentley" <bentleypdlists@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:00:59 +0100
How accessible and reliable are any navigation programs on the Android
systems please?
Peter Bentley
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Keith Barrett
Sent: 17 July 2012 20:32
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Android
Hi,
The xperia pro and mini pro have some internal storeage but they take a
micro sd card.
I think they will take a 64gb card but would need to check that. I have a
32gb in mine.
You can use the touch screen or the keyboard.
I try to use the touch screen because I think that one day I may not be able
to get a keyboard phone but, you know, it is so much faster to type on a
keyboard.
The xperia pro is selling for £190.00 on amazon at the moment.
The difference between the xperia pro and mini pro is that the xperia pro
has a better battery and a better camera. It is slightly larger.
hth.
On 17/07/2012 17:03, Jackie Cairns wrote:
> Keith, is the Xperia range keyboard only, or can these handsets be
> used in the normal touch-screen manner?
>
> What is the maximum capacity on an Android Smartphone, roughly the
> same as an iPhone?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Keith Barrett
> Sent: 17 July 2012 16:46
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Android
>
> Well, the xperia pro and mini pro which are the two with keyboards are
> getting an official sony upgrade and there are also unofficial roms
> for both of them.
>
>
>
> On 17/07/2012 16:19, Vince Thacker wrote:
>> Jackie, I'm sure you'll find some of those Sony phones can be
>> upgraded to at least 4.0, and possibly some can't because the
>> hardware is too limited. Another complication!
>>
>> Vince.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns"
>> <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:21 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Android
>>
>>
>>> Hi Vince
>>>
>>> Just had a quick look at the Sony Xperia, and it appears to have
>>> Android 2.1 on it. I'm just browsing really out of curiosity.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of Vince Thacker
>>> Sent: 17 July 2012 11:01
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Android
>>>
>>> Jackie, if you ended up with an older version of Android, you could
>>> install Talkback, which is the equivalent of VoiceOver. As well as
>>> the voice, it now includes vibrations and sounds that also
>>> contribute to the accessibility.
>>>
>>> If you had Android 4 point something, you wouldn't need to worry.
>>> Some kind of gesture would then be all you need to start the
>>> accessibility.
>>>
>>> There are some tutorials on YouTube, but some people that have done
>>> them seem to find it so exciting to have loads of background noise
>>> going on or don't put any spoken commentary on at all that it can be
>>> hard to know what's happening.
>>>
>>> Vince.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:50 AM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Android
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Vince
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks indeed, this really helps. I agree that you know where
>>>> you are with Apple and its iPhone. You have VoiceOver and that's
>>>> it basically.
>>>> But
>>>> Android seems to be more complicated in respect of what you ask for.
>>>> So later versions of the operating system have accessibility built
>>>> into them which can be activated upon purchase?
>>>>
>>>> As for Georgie, that approach wouldn't appeal to me personally.
>>>> I've had enough of buying items that have a short shelf life, and I
>>>> rather feel Georgie will come into that category.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf Of Vince Thacker
>>>> Sent: 17 July 2012 10:21
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Android
>>>>
>>>> Jackie,
>>>>
>>>> Names such as Gingerbread, Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean are
>>>> nicknames for the various versions of the Android operating system.
>>>> Jelly Bean is the latest, and is version 4.1. Ice Cream is version
>>>> 4.0. The more recent the version, the better the accessibility is
>>>> likely to be. Older versions can be made to work, but you may need
>>>> to download some of the apps yourself, which could be tricky if you
>>>> don't have any sight, and don't have any accessibility, like. 4.0
>>>> and 4.1 are the best ones to look at, as speech is readily
>>>> available with those.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Google are the developers of the OS, but how much any particular
>>>> phone is a purely Google version is where it seems to get messy.
>>>> Manufacturers of Android phones often tinker with the system and
>>>> impose their own apps, affectionately known as bloatware. The
>>>> problem for us is that some of this bloatware can interfere with,
>>>> or break, whatever accessibility that is built into Android.
>>>>
>>>> I'm open to correction here, but HTC seems to be one of the worst
>>>> offenders when it comes to breaking the accessibility with its own
>>>> junk software.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, phones that are often mentioned as good for
>>>> keeping to a decent version of Android include the Galaxy Nexus,
>>>> the Galaxy S3 and the Sony Xperia Pro (which also still has some
>>>> physical buttons, so may interest some people just because of that).
>>>>
>>>> One of the problems with the Georgie idea might be that if you get
>>>> frustrated with the walled garden approach and turn off the special
>>>> apps, you're left with an old version of Android, possibly version
>>>> 2 point something, so you'd need to rebuild some accessibility into
>>>> your phone.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody could be forgiven for being confused with all this, and
>>>> this fragmentation of Android seems to have been a major hurdle in
>>>> getting Android to appeal to blind people. At least with an iPhone,
>>>> you have a pretty good idea of what you're getting, and the staff
>>>> at the Apple Store are likely to know how to set up the accessibility.
>>>> With recent versions of Anroid, though, you'd be able to set it up
>>>> OK yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Vince.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mobeen Iqbal" <mobeeniqbal@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:28 AM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Android
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hi jackie. I have used various android handsets. Accessibility is
>>>>> vastly improved with 4.0! To give you an overview i can give you a
>>>>> ring at your convenience? Send me your number off list and we can
>>>>> go from there. Mo.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17/07/2012, Jackie Cairns <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>>>>>> As I have become kind of interested in this thread, perhaps Steve
>>>>>> or someone with knowledge of Android phones could please tell me
>>>>>> which of them work with accessibility? I was chatting with my
>>>>>> son last night, and he says two of his friends have the Galaxy
>>>>>> S3, whatever that is. It would appear that Android Smartphones
>>>>>> are cheaper than the iPhone, but do they all work for blindies?
>>>>>> The general threads from people on this list have aroused my
>>>>>> curiosity in Android. I gather, without wishing to sound
>>>>>> ignorant, that Android is the operating system, so what is the
>>>>>> Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean part of it then? And is Android
>>>>>> something to do with Google?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry to sound vague, but I am only just beginning to wake up to
>>>>>> the Apple alternative, (smile).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of ANDY COLLINS
>>>>>> Sent: 16 July 2012 17:16
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Android
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, if that is so, which phones does it work on? -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Peter Beasley <mailto:pjbeasley23@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:32 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Cobolt compass, beware
>>>>>>
>>>>>> androyd is the operating system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Vince Thacker <mailto:vince@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Cobolt compass, beware
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy, Android, as I understand it, started off as its own
>>>>>> company, but is now part of Google.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vince.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: ANDY COLLINS <mailto:Andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:11 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Cobolt compass, beware
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Steve - I'm still with the N82 [I know I know <smile>] My
>>>>>> intention when I next go for a phone, was to probably go the
>>>>>> IPhone route, but have to say, I don't like the size and shape of
>>>>>> it so much. Guess I need to find out what the differences are
>>>>>> between it, and Android models. I'm a bit behind with the latest
>>>>>> mobile market. Are Androids the manufacturor name, as with Nokia?
>>>>>> Or is Android the OS produced by Google? -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Steve Nutt
>>>>>> <mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:31 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Cobolt compass, beware
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Andy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never seen the Cobolt compass, but I do this on my
>>>>>> mainstream Android phone <Smile>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ANDY COLLINS
>>>>>> Sent: 15 July 2012 22:42
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Cobolt compass, beware
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another waste of dosh! I think I paid about
>>>>>> £35 for this, and it's a load of rubbish. My experience with
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it, found it to be both inaccurate and unpredictable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like many things produce for blind people,
>>>>>> it is also very ugly, and cheap looking/feeling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not just banging the old drum of
>>>>>> complaint against equipment produced for the blind. In fact, it
>>>>>> saddens
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> to find yet again the same experience, of over-priced [but I do
>>>>>> understand
>>>>>> the niche market equals fewer sales argument] ugly build, hardly
>>>>>> fit for
>>>>>> purpose, assistive equipment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I always try to buy where I can,
>>>>>> mainstream equipment, and figure out how to get the best from it, but
>>>>>> sometimes, mainstream can be too non-accessible, and I am forced to
go
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the so-called specialists. It truly gives me no pleasure in
>>>>>> bringing to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> attention of the list this poor piece of specialist equipment, but I
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> we need to keep shouting for equality in product performance,
>>>>>> reliability,
>>>>>> and aesthetic appeal. I don't want big clunky stuff in my pockets, or
>>>>>> around
>>>>>> my house, just because it can talk, or give me some other kind of
>>>>>> additional
>>>>>> feedback. As I have said before on this list, the PTR1 was the most
>>>>>> over-priced, mal-functioning, hugely ugly piece of junk, I've ever
>>>>>> wasted
>>>>>> 600 quid on. Sadly, I've wasted 35 on a useless compass, that thinks
>>>>>> North
>>>>>> is wherever it fancies, on any given day -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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