I don't take it personally old chap but there is no doubt that sales of Apple equipment to businesses is increasing while microsoft is decreasing and to deny it that is barmy. :-) Cheers G From glorious Devon, England. On 24 Jun 2010, at 16:48, Tristram Llewellyn wrote: > Chillout! It's not a personal attack on Apple or you. > > Google is a very large company indeed, it has indeed adopted Macs certainly > on its desktop side. However it is a technology company very specifically > and it has been a high profile casualty of some Windows flaws particular with > respect to its China operation. > > However many companies are not at least instantly going to follow the same > line despite the kind of hype that sites like AppleInsider tend to purvey. > Bear in mind Gordon I own two Macs and are very happy with them and use them > every day so please don't get too upset thinking I am some kind of Mac nay > sayer here. I don't even feel that I have a foot as such in each camp, I use > these things watch and analyse. > > My perception of this is that Apple don't yet operate in a way that is going > to attract businesses on mass scale despite your Google citation. If you > want to have an idea of the true state of things look how Apple have been > making efforts to license and bring in Exchange compatibility into their > operating system, this is tacit acknowledgement that they are attempting to > woo a business market which does use Microsoft servers. They could have > developed their own thing but that is crazy when business clearly have > adopted Exchange as their standard for email serving. > > Its fine the disagree though. > > Regards. > > Tristram Llewellyn > Sight and Sound Technology > Technical Support > www.sightandsound.co.uk > > Mail: > Tristram: tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Technical: Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > General - info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Phone: > Support line: 0845 634 7979 > > Sight and Sound Technology Limited is a company registered in England and > Wales, with company number 1408275. > > Sight and Sound Technology > Welton House North Wing > Summerhouse Road > Moulton Park > Northampton > NN3 6WD > > VAT Number - GB 860 2121 66. > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Gordon Keen > Sent: 24 June 2010 15:55 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Affordable Accessibility, was Re: Fw: [vicsireland] > Digit-Eyes Audio Labelling System Advances Independence For Visually Impaired > > Really? > > When my son worked for multimap it was taken over by microsoft and they gave > his team the choice of which lap top to have, they all asked for mac book pro > machines and microsoft agreed. > > Or perhaps you don't think google are a big enough business, they have just > announced that they are changing to Apple. > > Sorry but I don't agree with you on this one. > > Cheers > > G > > From glorious Devon, England. > On 24 Jun 2010, at 15:31, Tristram Llewellyn wrote: > >> Apple will make significant inroads into the domestic market which in many >> ways is more flexible. However business desktop and server markets are >> quite another thing altogether. As I said before the Apple culture will >> have to re-orientate significantly for businesses to take it up in any >> significant numbers. >> >> Regards. >> >> Tristram Llewellyn >> Sight and Sound Technology >> Technical Support >> www.sightandsound.co.uk >> >> Mail: >> Tristram: tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Technical: Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> General - info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> Phone: >> Support line: 0845 634 7979 >> >> Sight and Sound Technology Limited is a company registered in England and >> Wales, with company number 1408275. >> >> Sight and Sound Technology >> Welton House North Wing >> Summerhouse Road >> Moulton Park >> Northampton >> NN3 6WD >> >> VAT Number - GB 860 2121 66. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >> Gordon Keen >> Sent: 24 June 2010 14:48 >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Affordable Accessibility, was Re: Fw: [vicsireland] >> Digit-Eyes Audio Labelling System Advances Independence For Visually Impaired >> >> >> Hi >> >> Last time I looked, around March time, Apple's sales to business customers >> had increased by 26 per cent which was some 6 per cent above market >> expectations. >> This is part of a continuing growth pattern. >> >> Cheers >> >> G >> >> From glorious Devon, England. >> On 24 Jun 2010, at 14:25, Dave Taylor wrote: >> >>> Yes, I agree with all that, and this is why I said change in the employment >>> market will be very slow. Frankly it is this market that FS are interested >>> in, not the consumer market, and the UK taking cost cutting measures alone >>> will do nothing to it. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>> Tristram Llewellyn >>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:46 PM >>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Affordable Accessibility, was Re: Fw: [vicsireland] >>> Digit-Eyes Audio Labelling System Advances Independence For Visually >>> Impaired >>> >>> Responding to Dave Taylor, Apple have a long way to go with the business >>> world. It is not simply that Microsoft has over 90 percent of the business >>> desktop market and a very large share of the server market now, they know >>> their customers very well and what their proprieties are. There is a danger >>> here that people confuse the buzz with what is actually occurring. In >>> regard to businesses needs MS tell their business customers what the roadmap >>> is ahead, are now these days very open about their security issues and are >>> in the process of adapting or be it very slowly to market forces. They do >>> listen to their business customers even if consumers feel left out of it. >>> Businesses are very conservative creatures by nature and they have to be >>> because stability is what they require. The way Apple currently operate >>> would not fit with this outlook. >>> >>> Apple by contrast to MS are highly secretive to the point of paranoia, likes >>> only to reveal when they are ready surprise and wow their public who are >>> generally over excited and under critical audience at the best of times. >>> They can be flighty on certain details, don't admit that Mac OS has >>> potential security flaws and indeed very quietly stick in bits of malware >>> protection without letting hardly anyone know they have even done it rather >>> than admit there is a potential issue. If Apple are going to crack the >>> business market, it will have to be a bit more than just exchange support >>> here and there. The actual outlook to a business customer segment would >>> have to be completely different from the one they have with the consumer >>> market presently. >>> >>> At present it is true that Apple do have something to offer the >>> domestic/consumer market that is attractive but widespread adoption in >>> business is another thing. >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> Tristram Llewellyn >>> Sight and Sound Technology >>> Technical Support >>> www.sightandsound.co.uk >>> >>> Mail: >>> Tristram: tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Technical: Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> General - info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> Phone: >>> Support line: 0845 634 7979 >>> >>> Sight and Sound Technology Limited is a company registered in England and >>> Wales, with company number 1408275. >>> >>> Sight and Sound Technology >>> Welton House North Wing >>> Summerhouse Road >>> Moulton Park >>> Northampton >>> NN3 6WD >>> >>> VAT Number - GB 860 2121 66. >>> >>> >>> 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