[access-uk] Re: Accessible or not accessible? (Was: Really good, accessible web sites.)

  • From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:02:51 +0100

Hi Ray,

Hadn't really thought about the bad taste aspect, but you could be right.
Still haven't looked extensively at that web site, so I can't comment on the
lack of text.

All the best
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
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Sent: 02 September 2005 15:10
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible or not accessible? (Was: Really good,
accessible web sites.)

Fair enough Stev, and yes Window-Eyes does make quite a good job of the
front page for that site.  Once you are in there its another story.  Hardly
any of the links show up.  Its a very graphics intensive site and it seems
to work on the assumption that pictures tell everything.  Its designed with
a mind set that by default excludes those who need textual information.

Going off a bit at a tangent here, it seems all too easy these days to think
in a way that excludes us on purely aesthetic grounds.  I think there is
some tenuous link with the recent thread about BBC2 banning voice-over when
foreign languages are being used.  Its as if the spoken word, or text
adornments in the case of the offending Habitat website are somehow seen as
being beyond the paleartistically.

It seems our needs are simply bad taste. 
Ray

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" 

| Hi Tink,
| 
| OK, I am not sure what you couldn't access here in the way of information.
| I appreciate what George said about the pictures etc, but not being my 
| kind of web site, I am wondering what you are looking for.
| 
| But let's take the example of the countries.  This is where JAWS falls 
| down badly with Flash.  JAWS is no good at reading links in Flash, 
| unless they are labeled in a certain way.  Here is how Window-Eyes 
| presented the countries to me:-
| 
| uk/main_uk.htm
| france/main_france.htm
| germany/main_germany.htm
| spain/main_spain.htm
| belgium.htm
| greece.htm
| iceland.htm
| belgium.htm
| portugal.htm
| thailand.htm
| eire.htm
| 
| I noticed that Belgium is on there twice, but apart from that, what is 
| wrong with that?  The only thing that is wrong is that the links are not
labelled.
| Now I haven't tried this with JAWS yet to be honest, but I have 
| noticed that it doesn't read flash links particularly well on some web 
| sites, but the names of the HTM files make it obvious in this case.
| 
| In my very quick look at the web site, I could also search for 
| products, but I didn't know what to search for.  What I didn't try to 
| do, was to browse a catalogue or anything like that.
| 
| So is this web site inacessible?  I would say no, just difficult to use.
| But some would probably disagree with me, but hey, that's OK <Smile>.
| 
| Keep 'em coming Tink, that was a goodly one.
| 
| All the best
| --
| Computer Room Services:  the long cane for blind computer users.


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