[access-uk] Re: Accessible or not accessible? Freedom Box and c-saw
- From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:14:18 +0100
Brian,
Thanks for some great insight into this. I'm more tempted than ever
now. *Smile.
Tink.
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
brian hartgen
Sent: 03 September 2005 13:23
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible or not accessible? Freedom Box and c-saw
Hi Ray
1. C-SAW is specific to the freedom box product, hence the ability for the
labels to be shared only by freedom box users. You have to pass a small
image labelling test first before you are considered worthy of labelling
links and images etc!
2. I would say that System Access is a very very respectable screen-reading
product. I would strongly recommend it to anyone who is wanting to get
started with a computer for the first time to use the basics of Word,
E-Mail, and Windows in general. There are some screen-reading commands, but
much of it relies upon the windows shortcut keys you mentioned, as a basic
example, control+C to copy material to the clipboard.
In addition to access for the new beginner, System Access has got me out of
difficulty a couple of times since I have started using it. One time I
remember, because I had tried to install a particular screen-reader on my
computer alongside the others I usually run, the video chaining got messed
up completely to the point where the regular screen-readers did not
function. System Access allowed me to get around the computer to resolve
these problems which was great.
In closing, now that system access is available on the key to freedom, which
as you have pointed out does not hook into the video at all, this allows
anyone to walk up to a computer and use it without any problem whatsoever,
which to me is a great concept indeed. Now that I have seen the new key to
freedom in action, I am convinced this product really does work very
effectively and will be useful to many people.
Brian Hartgen
E-MAIL: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx
MSN: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx
SKYPE: brianhartgen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible or not accessible? Freedom Box and c-saw
> Very helpful reply Brian. Can you clairify though, is 'c-saw' entirely
> specific or proprietorial to this product, or or is it something bound up
> with the Mozilla browser, which I think comes as part of the package?
>
> Also, could you comment briefly on the screen-reader, system access part?
> How good is it in Word, and other apps? They speak of using Windows
> commands to use the system access part, which I don't quite get.
> Ray
>
> Personal emails: Email me at
> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brian hartgen"
>
> | Hi
> | I had the opportunity of using the key to freedom for the first time
> this
> | week when I went to assist someone to start using it. Obviously I am
> well
> | versed in using the Freedom Box itself as I have that, but I had never
> used
> | the key to freedom itself since it was newly launched.
> |
> | I have to say I was very impressed with it. The first time you use the
> key,
> | there is an activation process which needs to take place. For this,
> there
> | needs to be a connection to the internet. If you want to use system
> access
> | thereafter, internet connectivity is not required, however of course it
> is
> | for the freedom box network.
> |
> | You do not have to do anything really to activate the product. Just type
> in
> | an activation code, then sit back, relax, and let the software do the
> rest.
> | While it is activating, or doing what it needs to do, there is a spoken
> | description of what it will be possible to do in terms of the freedom
> box
> | and system access as and when you can get started.
> |
> | After the activation, you can plug the key into any computer. Within a
> | couple of seconds, you get a message asking whether you want to use
> freedom
> | box or system access. You press the corresponding number on the
> keyboard,
> | and you are away.
> |
> | When one of the two programs is launched, your system settings are
> loaded as
> | these are stored to the key itself. Very cool.
> |
> | The concept of using freedom box has been well documented before, so I
> will
> | not do that here. However, the term C-SAW has been mentioned in this
> | thread. Basically, this allows a user to give titles to poorly labelled
> | links and images on a web site, whereupon they are made available to
> other
> | freedom box users. It enhances the whole spirit of community which is
> very
> | evident throughout the freedom box product.
> |
> | Brian Hartgen
> | E-MAIL: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx
> |
> |
> | > Thanks Tink, I am hoping Steve Nutt will get back on this one. After
> all,
> | > he sells the Freedom Box/Key to Freedom, whatever. Mike Calvo, the
> CEO of
> | > Serotec was very up-beat about usability for computer newbies, but
> then he
> | > would be as he runs the company All the same, if the claims of older
> folk
> | > being able to get on with things right away are only partly true, it
> does
> | > sound an intriguing product to say the least.
> | >
> | > The screen reader doesn't video-hook like all others do, and no trace
> is
> | > left on the host system once you've had your session and removed the
> USB
> | > key. Me thainks its too good to be true, although to be fair, it
> isn't
> | > claimed that the Key to Freedom is a 'screen reader'; rather they
> talk of
> | > 'system access.
> | >
> | > So, come on someone, please tell us more.
> | > Ray
> | >
> | > Personal emails: Email me at
> | > mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
> | >
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: "Tink Watson"
> | >
> | > | Ray,
> | > |
> | > | Thanks. I'm afraid I don't know much about the Freedom Box, or the
> | > | C-Saw enabled browsers, beyond what's written on the web site.
> | > |
> | > | I had to give myself a stern talking to, not to download a trial
> | > | just now. I've got exams coming up next month and really ought to
> get
> | > some
> | > | studying done... It just looks far more interesting though...
> | > |
> | > | Tink.
> | > |
> | > | -----Original Message-----
> | > | From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> | > Of
> | > | Ray's Home
> | > | Sent: 02 September 2005 23:57
> | > | To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible or not accessible? Freedom Box
> and
> | > c-saw
> | > |
> | > | A thoughtful contribution from you Tink, as usual. I wonder if I
> can
> | > use
> | > | this thread to pose or rephrase a question I asked a day or so back.
> | > This
> | > | concerns the Key to Freedom USB device. (Ihope I'll be forgiven for
> | > | changing the subject line a bit.)
> | > |
> | > | This seems to include the Firefox browser, and they make much of the
> | > | simplified access to all manner of programs, including internet
> | > browsing.
> | > | Is it really that good that newcomers take to it with the ease
> claimed?
> | > It
> | > | does all of this too without video hooking.
> | > |
> | > | This brings me to the question, What is this c-saw facility?
> Looking at
> | > | beta release notes of around April, there is talk of c-saw enabled
> | > browsers
> | > | and bookmark sharing. I understand you can also label links that
> are
> | > not
> | > | always meaningful. Is this something to do with the said c-saw too?
> | > | Ray
> | > |
> | > | Personal emails: Email me at
> | > | mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
> |
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