[access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:56:23 -0000
Hi Jackie,
I am not sure you would gain anything in your case, except finding radio
stations is sometimes easier, as it is designed for the beginning user. You
also get the audio described movies, which you can't get otherwise.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jackie Cairns
Sent: 17 January 2008 12:31
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio
Ron, please forgive me for being completely stupid here, but what is the
point of that if it is PC-based when you could go on the Internet using a
screen reader to log onto radio stations anyway as I do now?
Yes, I've definitely heard of Freedom Box and the System Access thing, but
I'm just not sure what you would gain by having them over what you have with
a PC and Internet access with your screen reader.
Steve, explain please (smile).
Thanks Ron for the info.
Jackie
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron sears" <r.sears1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:10 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio
> Jackie, the best thing would be to ask Steve. He will explain the pricing
> structure. Basically it is what was once the Freedom Box which I am sure
> you
> would have heard about. It is a network with all this content on plus
> there is
> System Access which although not strictly a screenreader is much cheaper
> than
> Jaws or Windoweyes. You can also have all this on a key to take and plug
> into
> any computer and it will talk. There are others on this list who have it
> so you
> may get some more feed back.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:51 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio
>
>
> Ron, this has passed me by. What is it and how does it work please? See,
> I
> don't know everything unfortunately (big smile).
>
> Jackie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ron sears" <r.sears1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:44 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio
>
>
>> Hello All. If this radio is not accessible, why not go for the SAMOBILE
>> network
>> sold by Steve Nutt. There are quite a number of stations from all over
>> the
>> world and lots in the U.K. You could listen to these using your RF
>> wireless
>> headphones. There are also hundreds of audio described films and other
>> content.
>> The cost is about the same as your radios you are researching and you
>> won't have
>> a problem with accessibility.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Ron
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:46 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio
>>
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> Right, here is the latest on the accessibility of Internet radio. I've
>> been
>> messing around for over a day and have come up against some problems that
>> I'll share with you now so you know the score.
>>
>> Firstly, we picked the Intempo Internet radio from Argos at £119.99. As
>> it
>> happened, it was one of the only choices of five they had in stock, but
>> it
>> was my first pick anyway.
>>
>> The Intempo came with wireless capability, and an ethernet port. More
>> importantly, it had 99 presets and a remote control to allow you to key
>> in
>> those presets directly. When Ian turned it on, he told us that the
>> display
>> came up with the welcome logo, and then found the network. Of course it
>> came up with Sky, and asked for our security key. Now in answer to
>> Marie's
>> question, you have to use the dial to spin it round for each letter or
>> number you want to key in, then select it. This is totally useless for
>> us
>> by the way.
>>
>> Once it accepted the security key and proceeded to log onto our network,
>> it
>> asked whether we wanted Windows Media Player or stations. We selected
>> the
>> latter. Then it wanted to know if we wanted genre or locations, and we
>> again chose the latter. There was a massive list of countries, with
>> Afghanistan at the top of the alphabetical list. Ian chose the
>> Netherlands,
>> and found Sky Radio, which came on after a few minutes of waiting. If
>> you
>> turned off the radio and turned it back on again, it defaulted to the
>> last
>> station we were listening to, so that was helpful.
>>
>> But after initially listening to the station, we started to notice it
>> cutting off altogether for maybe 30 seconds or so, then coming back on.
>> Then whatever was playing began to jump like the arm on a record being
>> moved
>> over it at random.
>>
>> Senior Ian checked that this was not happening on Sky Radio using the
>> Internet on the PC, and it stayed completely steady. So we tried the
>> radio
>> directly using the RJ45, and got the same results. We turned all the PCs
>> off and just had the radio running, with the same outcome.
>>
>> We decided today that we would have to try another radio in case the
>> Intempo
>> had a fault. We knew it couldn't be our connection to the Internet
>> because
>> everything else has been working normally. So the only other radio Argos
>> had was a Bush at £89.99. They couldn't give us another Intempo as it
>> was
>> the only one they had, but were happy about refunding us our money.
>>
>> When we brought the Bush home and Ian went through the same procedure,
>> the
>> exact same thing started to occur. This radio has 10 presets and is
>> wireless only.
>>
>> So now we have a dilemma. For some unknown reason, both radios, bearing
>> in
>> mind they are different models altogether, do the same thing when they
>> are
>> connected to a radio station, whatever that station happens to be. We
>> tried
>> Capital FM and the BBC, but it still did the same with both sets.
>>
>> I have to be honest and say that these radios are completely inaccessible
>> for a non-sighted person to navigate. Even if you remember that the
>> radio
>> asks you for genre or locations, and you manage to remember how many
>> times
>> to go up and down the massive list in each category, you are on a hiding
>> to
>> nothing because you don't know any of the stations available. We knew
>> this
>> when we started out, so aren't so much frustrated about that. What we
>> had
>> planned to do is pick a few of our favourites and store them into the
>> presets. But if the radios don't have fast enough processors, and keep
>> dropping out or jumping, I don't know what the pleasure is in all
>> honesty.
>>
>> Carol asked why it would not be simpler to just use a PC. I just wanted
>> an
>> Internet radio to be able to move it anywhere away from the computer
>> without
>> having it switched on all the time. For example, lying in bed and
>> listening
>> to something without being tied to a laptop would have been nice.
>>
>> Now guys, the positive thing is that I am currently talking to TNAUK
>> about
>> their talking Internet radio. I can't say anything else at the moment,
>> but
>> I'm in the process of bending their ear and arm (smile). When I know
>> more,
>> I'll certainly post it because I've no intention of being involved in any
>> trial and then not compiling some sort of evaluation review that be for
>> all
>> to read.
>>
>> If anyone has any ideas why these radios do this, I would be fascinated
>> to
>> know. I wonder if the processors aren't as fast, so therefore have
>> smaller
>> memory buffers. But how they sell on that basis, I don't know.
>>
>> Any comments welcome, on or off list.
>>
>> Jackie
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