[access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions | ATMac
- From: "James & Nash" <james.austin1984@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:20:37 +0000
Well said
On 31 Jan 2010, at 10:00, Hussein Patwa wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As a multi-linguist myself, I totally agree. It’s ridiculous how companies
> claim to have a goobal reach and then just forget about half the planet for
> whom English isn’t their first language. And don’t even get me started on
> some of the absolutely kindergarten errors they make. Honestly, have half
> of these companies even spoken with someone fluent in the languages they
> claim to support – and not just someone who’s done an OU course in it
> either!
>
> Just my two cents.
>
>
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> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> James & Nash
> Sent: 30 January 2010 19:38
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions |
> ATMac
>
> Applause, applause, applause! Exactly, this is the benefit of having
> mainstream products being made accessible to us. We can use the same
> products as our sighted friends and co-workers etc, without the need to buy
> over priced (and generally unworthy) Blindness products. That last comment
> is a personal one aimed squarely at Freedom Scientific as I don't feel that
> anything they've introduced since JAWS 7.0 has been worth paying for. Also,
> using mainstream products means that we don't have to deal with the
> questionable business practices of such companies. Yes, I know that Apple
> too have some less than ethical practices - at least in my opinion, and that
> the choice to use a proprietary operating system has drawbacks, but Windows
> too is locked down. But the keyword there is "choice". All of you Windows AT
> venders listen up - it seems the reason you guys are taking shots at Apple
> is because you can see that if you were to become Apple re-sellers, you
> wouldn't be making so much money from the very expensive products foisted
> upon the Blind.
>
> Also, let's take an example from here in Europe. JAWS 11 came out at the end
> of last year, however in Central Europe in ooh let's say France for example,
> JAWS 11 is still not available in French. This is disgraceful and FS should
> be ashamed of themselves. Having fought with them for years over issues like
> this as a foreign language user, I have come to the conclusion that they
> really are not interested in providing the same level of accessibility to
> all of their customers at the same time. And before anyone says anything, I
> know that Apple do not provide French voices etc by default in Mac OS X
> which is equally disgraceful on their part and again I've told them so -
> especially when they are available on the IPhone. However, the fact that
> they are there on the IPhone suggests that they might put them into Mac OS X
> if they can get the licensing sorted out. There are voices though - and
> although they are around 300 Euros, they are still more reasonably priced
> than JFW which costs between 1300-1600 Euros. Whichever way you look at it,
> the ability for us to use mainstream products opens up so many new avenues
> for the Blind. Remember too, that all you are purchasing are the voices - VO
> comes with the operating system. That said, Mac OS X does provide Grade 1
> Braille (all be it English) allowing a Blind person to install the operating
> system independently. Quite a few foreign language codes are available
> though after installation, including French Grade 1. Grade 2 is proving a
> bit more difficult to implement, but hopefully in time, the person doing
> this should get it done.
>
> Anyone interested in getting foreign language Braille codes for their mac on
> this list can go to:
> http://www.cecimac.org
>
> This site is in French, but I think there is an English translation too.
>
> I don't like ranting like this - and I'm sorry if this upsets the
> moderators, but as i said in a previous message, Blind people have been
> dreadfully misinformed and people should be given the opportunity to hear
> "the truth" if they want to. I fully accept that there are those who are
> happy with what they use and that is absolutely fine. i also know that there
> are those people who just don't want to hear about alternatives and put
> their heads' in the sand - that's ok too. This is just a personal view and
> it is not meant to antagonise anyone.
>
> TC
> James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
> On 30 Jan 2010, at 18:09, Tony wrote:
>
>
> Blind person visits apple shop.
>
> Buys Mac, iPhone, iPod touch, in the future an iPad maybe, who knows what's
> next?
>
> Takes it home, switches it on, and begins using it.
>
> No need for specialist software, or any further outlay of cash.
>
> So, the assistive software may have its limitations, but hasn't the
> assistive software used to access the Widnows operating system got its
> limitations too?
>
> Hats off to Steve Jobs, main stream products, accessibility built in, that
> can't be bad surely.
>
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Gordon Keen
> Sent: 30 January 2010 15:53
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions |
> ATMac
>
> It's being so cheerful that keeps him going.
>
> Cheers
>
> G
>
> From glorious Devon, England.
> On 30 Jan 2010, at 12:20, James & Nash wrote:
>
>
>
> Your distain disguised as sarcasm is really telling on your position Steve.
> But I must agree with you, it's a little strange considering that Mac OS X
> is built upon UNIX which is a true multi-user operating system. Unless of
> course the IPhone doesn't run on top of UNIX. As I don't have an IPhone and
> I've not intention of getting one, I am not really that interested in it.
>
> TC
> James Lyn, Nash & Twinny
> On 29 Jan 2010, at 23:59, Steve Nutt wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Gordon,
>
> I think the only real telling thing in that article is that you can only do
> one thing at once. This means no multitasking. Just like the Touch or the
> iPhone, you can’t even turn Zoom and speech on at the same time. Turn one
> on, and the other goes off. You can’t leave Email being collected in the
> background. You can’t have a Twitter client running in the background or an
> Instant Messenger.
>
> A reall leap forward I must say.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Gordon Keen
> Sent: Friday 29 January 2010 14:18
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions | ATMac
>
>
>
> Steve Nutt, look away now :-)
>
> .
> Thought this might be of interest.
>
> Cheers
>
> G
>
> From glorious Devon, England
> http://atmac.org/accessibilty-and-the-ipad-first-impressions/
>
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