[access-uk] Re: A/D AND SKY PLUS
- From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:18:44 -0000
Must say Andy my head's spinning a bit from this one. As I indicated in my last
post I don't actually have a cinema TV and surround sound equipment - or any
sort of multi-channel audio system.
I'd have thought recording free-to-air stuff should be much the same as now;
and people are always talking here about recording the audio component of
satellite TV. I'd imagine that recording to a DVD recorder, at least for
terrestrial material, is fine because these machines are primarily designed for
that purpose, although some have camera inputs and the like.
If you are talking about extracting surround sound from films, or surround sound
discs, then I'd imagine that's a no go area for many. Unless that is you do get
one of these 'rip anything' programs, which is illegal of course. I'm sure I'll
hear around the pubs people who will tell me how proud they are they've a
program that's cracked all this, and I live in an area where there are lots of
new riche with lots of boys toys who like boasting of such things.
As I say, I'm the last person really to comment on this, but I've no idea if and
how people are recording multi- sound tracks, if they are doing it.
My limited understanding of Vista is it may all depend on the DRM setting
slapped on the material by the copyright owners/distributors. I do know there
is much gnashing of teeth at Vista's protection scheme. Most of it from users,
but some from distributors too. channel
Be interesting to hear what the Deep Thoughts and brainboxes have to say.
From Ray
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
Of Andy Logue
Hi Ray.
I think the correct term was Nicam Pro-Logic. In any case, if I attempt to
record a movie with this sound effect, I end up with left and right stereo
only
I can see the point of this from the movie or television industry's side of
the argument, but why sell DVD recorders If we are going to be penalised in
this way. The salesperson, made no mention of this issue when he was
selling me the equipment.
I really don't mind buying the particular movies, but am I correct in
thinking that there is little information on the DVD cases themselves that
indicate that it has an AD track?
I've not been able to work in my area of employment for almost five years so
when I came into a couple of quid last year, I decided to buy this system.
I've been wanting a nice stereo/home cinema centre for years. All of my
family and friends questioned the logic of my choice , saying things like,
why do you want a big telly when you cannot see the screen! My response has
always been that the improved sound quality will make up for my lack of
vision to some extent.
Now I'm feeling a bit let down. I could have purchased a brand new Nicam
stereo Video recorder and plugged this into my Av and got a smaller display
and saved myself a packet.
So do you think that VISTA is going to limit us further, for example, will I
still be able to record BBC 2's Album Chart Show, to play in my hi-fi or
car? And will I still be able to burn the occasional CD and make a copy for
my brother? - I think I can guess at the answer to this question - Isn't
technology great!
Before I go, how about taking the audio straight from my digibox into my
computer, before it gets to my DVD recorder, will I still have left and
right stereo only?
Best wishes.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:17 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: A/D AND SKY PLUS
> Andy, doubt if you can get the multi-channel sound via the optical out
> socket as
> I'm almost sure the suround stream cannot be piped in this wayor certainly
> not
> recorded. All down to heavy protection, and who can really blame them?
>
> There are of course DVD ripping programs that will side step this - and
> I'm not
> recommending that you take that route. A lot of the criticism of Vista is
> that
> it is designed to make this sort of thing impossible I believe as well as
> greatly restricting the way premium content is played. Sure we're going
> to hear
> a whole lot more on this.
>
> Me? Well, I've neither the room or the money these days to experience
> surround
> sound, much as I might like to listen to the remastering in this format of
> the
> likes of Pink Floyd, but, well, there's such a thing as doing without!
> Shame
> for some of us, isn't it?
>
> From Ray
> I can be contacted off-list at:
> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
> Of Andy Logue
>
>
> Hi Steve.
>
> I bought a very nice home cinema system just before Christmas. It has an
> Arcam AV Unit, which my digibox plugs into viaSkart Converter. My DVD
> Player/Recorder also plugs into the Arcam. I have 7.1 Quad speaker system
> and a 42 inch plasma. The sound is fantastic, particularly when watching
> a
> movie like The Terminator. However, while watching, if I press the AV DVD
> button, I can actually hear the sound being recorded, and it's only in
> stereo. I don't have an RF connection to an out of doors aerial. I
> thought
> that there was something wrong with my set up so telephoned the hi-fi shop
> in Glasgow and they told me that my DVD recorder had copywrite protection
> fitted, so I could only record movies in stereo, not in Nicam or
> Logitech -
> or what ever you call it, 7.1. I think I can get around this by recording
> the audio via the Optic out connection, but I'd not have the Video. To
> put
> them together again is way beyond my abilities. I'm just realising
> something. When I unsubscribe from Sky on 28 Feb, I'll still be able to
> get
> Channel 5 and it's AD, but I'll probably not get the Logitech? Nicam
> sound.
> It's all getting very complicated now eh? Years ago, I had a Stereo Nicam
> Video Recorder, and what you got on the TV was exactly what you got on the
> tape. Not any more apparently. Finally, before I go, I wish there was a
> blind hi-fi, UK list that I could join and get support.
>
> Best wishes.
> Andy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:51 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: A/D AND SKY PLUS
>
>
>> Hi Andy,
>>
>> Actually, this is nothing to do with it. If you connect your digibox to
>> your recorder via the Scart socket, instead of down the RF aerial lead,
>> you
>> will get Stereo. If you are recording down the aerial wire, you will get
>> mono.
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Andy Logue
>> Sent: 12 February 2007 21:00
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: A/D AND SKY PLUS
>>
>> Hi Ian.
>>
>> Not sure about Sky Plus, but I'm able to record, for example, a Channel 5
>> movie with AD, using my standard digibox. What I'm not able to do
>> however,
>> is get the nicam stereo quality sound. Incidentally, I telephoned the
>> shop
>> that sold me the DVD Player/Recorder and told them that the Nicam was
>> being
>> recorded as a simple left and right channel, and I was told that my
>> player
>> has in-built copywrite protection.
>>
>> Best wishes.
>> Andy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ian Macrae" <ian.macrae1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:01 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] A/D AND SKY PLUS
>>
>>
>>> Any Sky Plus subscribers who can tell me whether it's possible to record
>>> shows with A/D and if so how?
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