Hi Oe6, Do you have a first name<G> I use hard drives for backup. I get used hard drives very cheap from the local shop I support. Yes I spent a lot of money their over the years. I install the hard drives and then clone my C drive to it, and remove it for backup. I have also added an external USB2 hard drive and backup 3 computers to it. I recommend the DVDrw over a CDrw then use the money you save to get DVD burning software. I think you can get a new DRDRW\CDRW\ multi format for around $120 Most come with burning software bundled with them. <http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=11487&vpn=GSA-4082B%20&manufactur e=LG%20Electronics> LG GSA-4082B 8X4X12 DVD+-R/RW/RAM 24X16X32 CDRW BLACK OEM W/ SW Price: $108.39 CAD OPTODISC DVD-R 4X 4.7GB 25 DISC SPINDLE OP-DVD-R4X-25 $28.87 I use EZCD\DVD burning program. Mike ~ It is a good day if I learned something new. Editor MikesWhatsNews see ~ http://www.mwn.ca <mikeswhatsnews-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?Subject=subscribe> <virusinfo-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?Subject=subscribe> A Technical Support Alliance & OWTA Charter Member This email was sent from an XP SP 2 protected PC http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/sp2preview.mspx *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 08/07/2004 at 10:54 PM 0e60wq102@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: I can only spend just so much, and I need some kind of data backup ability. I found an older Toshiba 2x dvd-burner that only does dvd-r and dvd-rw, and various types of cd, but because it is older and lower priced at $44, it comes without any software. Or I could go instead for a new cd-burner that comes with some Nero software for about the same price. Then there's the cost of a dvd vs cd disk, and the cost of disk cases, against the storage ability of 650 or 700 megs for a cd vs about 4 gigs for a dvd. Just looking for suggestions which to pick, or is there a better choice out there? For a web-based membership management utility and information on list policies, please see http://nibec.com/24hoursupport/ To unsubscribe, send a blank email to 24hoursupport-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" (without quotes) in the subject.