Hello Group, My other problems with the .NET patch and sound card have not gone away, but I'll eventually squash those with a reformat and reinstall. In the meantime, I have another question that has been nagging me for awhile and I'd like to get it squared away too. This one is about mail rules, specifically in Calypso (I won't touch Outlook Express). I have a whole set of rules, about 40 or so, set up already and they more or less work fine. What most of them do is filter messages as they come in to appropriate folders for organizational purposes. For example, I have a 24HourHelpDesk folder where all the messages to this group automatically get filtered. Sometimes list members may send me private emails, but leave the subject from the list intact, and some list members have their own folders and rules in my email setup. For example, if Spider replies to me privately on a message posted to the list, I want that to filter to my Spider folder and not the 24HourHelpDesk folder. So what I've done is made the 24HelpDesk rule say that if the To, Copy, or Reply-To field contains 24hoursupport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, filter it to the 24HourHelpDesk folder but if the message is From spider1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx then filter it to the Spider folder. This works, since the mail list messages are normally To 24hoursupport@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx I can't use the Subject field to filter on because even though the list manager software always makes sure that messages to the list contain [24hoursupport] in the subject, individuals from the list may send me private messages that have the same thing in the Subject and I don't want those to be filtered incorrectly. The problem -- and this doesn't happen on this list, I don't believe, but it does on others, I'm using this list for examples only -- is that from time to time I receive a message that is addressed to "Undisclosed Recipients". These messages are a real PITA because how do I filter them? Sure, the subject still contains the list name but I don't want to filter on the Subject for the reasons cited above. It's got to have something to do with the order my filters are executing and maybe the selection criteria, but for whatever reason I have never been able to get it to work the way I want it to. This has been a low priority for me until now because it's been a very minor and rather infrequent sort of hassle. But now I am involved with two different email groups for my classes, and the standard web-based email software my school uses (and most students use, since it's free and they don't need another ISP) sends messages using the "Undisclosed Recipients" by default when sending to groups! It's really a pain now because I really need to have those messages auto-filter to the right folders so I don't miss anything for class. This problem is compounded by the fact that in both cases I'm the "group leader" and need to receive private emails from list members as well as send and receive group emails. Suggestions? Thanks, Ron - Users can unsubscribe from this list by sending email to 24hoursupport-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface at http://web.tampabay.rr.com/spider1/24hrsupport.htm.