Spider, Last night I ran defrag on both of my hard drives in diagnostic mode. C drive didn't take very long, but D drive took all night. I started it at around 10:30 and it took about 3 hours to get through the first 39%. I went to bed around 4:00 and it was still only up to 49%. First thing this morning I restarted it in regular mode and just as it finished booting up I got the green lines across the top of the screen again. I shut it down manually and restarted and tried to get on line and got a run time error. I'm, right this second, dealing with getting booted again. SOMETHING'S going on here because, for nearly a year I never got booted from being on line, now, all of a sudden I'm getting it 4 and 5 times in the first hour. Dale In a message dated 11/19/2004 9:43:48 PM Central Standard Time, Madrachod@xxxxxxx writes: In a message dated 11/19/2004 3:45:41 AM Central Standard Time, spider1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: You are not seeing the things I am asking for because you are not receiving a BSOD. That stands for Blue Screen of Death and is called such because when you get it you can do nothing. You are dead in the water and have to turn the PC off to recover. Well, that's what I thought, but a few months ago I asked someone about it and they (as well as two or three other puter geeks) called it the BSOD, so I just assumed that that was what that was called. Also, I don't have to wait another few weeks to get it again, I just got it a few minutes ago. Here's what it says, verbatim: Windows There are no stack pages. It may be necessary to increase the settings of 'MinSPs' in System.ini to prevent possible stack faults. There are currently 5 SPs allocated. Press any key to continue It ALWAYS tells me that there are 5 SPs, the number never changes. I just now changed the MinSPs to 444. I think, the next time I get it I'll just go up to either 888 or 4444. Not that either will do me a diddly damn bit of good, I suspect. What you are getting is some sort of application error. It is possible to get it from the OS, but more likely you are getting it from an installed applicat ion. Does this happen on boot up? Either immediately afterwards, or during. If so, click Start / Run and type in msconfig in the run line and run that. On the General tab use "Diagnostic Startup" and reboot the system. Do you get the error? I'll try this when I get off line. I already got booted about a minute after I signed on. I'd like to get SOMETHING done before I have to get off again. If this does not happen on bootup, then what steps do you have to take to re-create the error? Post exactly what you do see on the error screen. Pay attention to the blue title bar at the top of the error window. What's in there? See above for the exact message word for word; punctuation for punctuation. Dale For a web-based membership management utility and information on list policies, please see http://nibec.com/24hoursupport/ To unsubscribe, send a blank email to 24hoursupport-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" (without quotes) in the subject. For a web-based membership management utility and information on list policies, please see http://nibec.com/24hoursupport/ To unsubscribe, send a blank email to 24hoursupport-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" (without quotes) in the subject.