Like I said, one of many possible scenarios. I think we both agree in the general principle that Yahoo is not the one bouncing the message. Point being, it is not something that Yahoo can easily correct since they are simply the trigger that fires the many guns owned by the various ISP's. The one thing I can see Yahoo doing to improve the situation is how they deal with the bounces. I think they lock out the users a little to quickly but that is only my opinion since I do not know the extent of the resource problem this causes for them. Spider Http://web.tampabay.rr.com/spider1 -----Original Message----- From: Fuzzy Logic [mailto:fuzzman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 8:36 AM To: 24hoursupport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: 24hrsupporthelpdesk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [24hrsupporthelpdesk] Re: bouncing emails Just so you all know, I got my information directly from one of the engineers at Yahoo! Groups. Your scenario sounds pretty promising. I've got a slightly different theory. It's not that Y! Groups is triggering a spam response in my scenario, but simply that the huge amount of mail is just overwhelming some ISP's mailservers. Fuzzy -- For a web-based membership management utility and information on list policies, please see http://nibec.com/24hoursupport/ To unsubscribe, send a blank email to 24hoursupport-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" (without quotes) in the subject.